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Old Jul 21, 2003, 10:21 PM   #1
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Default CP4500 gone, now what?

From what I've read and see, the CP4500 seems to no longer be in production and Nikon is offering a steep discount to clean it out of the sales channels. This makes finding one kinda hard, but possible (CDW and amazon claim to have them... but do I believe them?)

So what else do people recommend as a good camera to digiscope with? I'll probably be mating the camera with a Swarovski 80AT-HD.... I've wanted one for years, so this would be the excuse.

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Old Jul 22, 2003, 12:22 AM   #2
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This thread should shed some light on the lack of cp4500's http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=12035
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Old Jul 22, 2003, 8:03 AM   #3
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Thanks for the link. It's interesting... I've messages which say "I talked to two Nikon employes at fair X and they both said it was canceled" and I've also read "it isn't, don't worry about it." The extention of the rebate does imply that it isn't dead.

So anyone know what a reasonable price is on one? (Not taking into account the $200 rebate.) use epinions (not the best search engine...) I saw it at the low 400's in places I didn't know and over 600 in places I did. That is a large swing.

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Old Jul 23, 2003, 9:10 PM   #4
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I hate to feed fuel to this flame, but I think that the 4500 is actually gone.

I buy equipment from a chain of professional photography stores. I deal with their top scrounger (thanks to a tip from a friend.) He can't get one... from any of their 9 stores nation wide. I think he even checked with their other 20 stores world wide (but I could be wrong.) Now he's calling in favors at Nikon, so we'll see. But I'm not holding my breath.

So I'm back to the question. What is a good alternate to the CP4500 for digiscoping? I could go used, but I'd rather not.

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Old Jul 24, 2003, 3:52 AM   #5
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Good question Eric. I guess the lack of generous rebate offers here in the UK means stocks are still available. I take it you have decided against the SLR route that I understand Yossi and Tyler Allred (alias geomorph at BirdForum) have been experimenting with (in their case a Nikon D100).

Have you seen Tyler's setup with the Nikon 4300? :
http://www.astromart.com/messages.as...id=81975&page=

Maybe ploughing through the BirdForum digiscoping gallery might turn up a few gems not shot on CP990/995 0r 4500.
And there are other cameras with their results to be seen via :
http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/mr/ds/ds_combinations.htm

You've probably already know of the official source of Nikon refurbished cameras :
http://www.thenikonmall.com/

It looks as more options might become available as more suitable eyepieces turn up in the marketplace eg. results from Sony F717 and Coolpix 5700 may soon be on display from BirdForum members.

I have to say though, I'd be pretty hesitant about purchasing the Swarovski if I wasn't sure I'd be getting one of the tried and tested partners to go with it for digiscoping.
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And the refurbished 900 series is now the 4500. Who knows how long that'll last...
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Old Jul 24, 2003, 8:16 AM   #7
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I hadn't looked at the nikonmall for awhile. A quick check shows that it's out of stock there. Thanks for the reminder, though.

I do have a Canon 10D and a 50mm f1.8 (I think that Yossi used either the f1.4 or f1.8) so I could go that route. It's in the back of my mind, but the 4500 looked to be so easy to use, have the $200 rebate (yea!) and it would double has a nice day-in-day-out camera for my girlfriend. Seemed like a win-win at a reasonable price.

I've seen that some people use the 5000. Nice to see the 4300 works for some as well. Thanks for that list (even if a bit out of date) it seems to show several Canon G2's. I could look in to that as well.

I signed up for birdforum yesterday so I'll be asking questions over there as well. there seems to be more digiscoping traffic there.

[quote="normjackson"]I have to say though, I'd be pretty hesitant about purchasing the Swarovski if I wasn't sure I'd be getting one of the tried and tested partners to go with it for digiscoping.[quote]I thought most scopes had a similar eye piece dimention (1 1/4? 1 1/2?) so assuming the scope had the common size it wouldn't matter as much. Are you suggesting that some cameras would mate better with some scopes because of some attribute of the scope? That would be very useful knowledge.

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Sorry for the delay in replying, Eric. I'm currently in the process of trying to cure myself of posting on subjects I know nothing about

What I meant was that there's a big premium to pay to get the Swarovski over the alternatives (maybe even more so relatively over there in the States). For use as a spotting scope, I'm not sure that optically there's a whole lot to choose between the Swarovski, Leica or Zeiss. Main consideration there might well be ergonomics.

However, for the purposes of digiscoping spending the extra on the Swarovski would make much more sense if you have one of the relevant Coolpixes to go with it. Firstly, some have suggested the Swarovskis give a better match with the Nikons than the Leica (even digiscoping godfather Laurence Poh himself) giving sharper images. There seems to be quite a lot of interest in the new Zeiss but the jury is still out whether it can give better results. The other issue, is that by having this combination you can immediately tap into all the knowledge base on this combination.

Member digi-birder at the BirdForum site uses the Canon G3 (after having problems with a faulty CP4500) and is pleased with the results with that. However, I have yet to see better results with any digiscoping camera than those I've seen with those three Coolpixes.

Tyler Allreds results with the CP4300 are certainly very good indeed though IMHO.
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Hey, I regularly post on subjects I don't know. :lol: I just qualify it and say that people should correct me. People seem more likely to post when they are correcting than when they are answering. And I don't mind (as long as I'm corrected! I hate to mislead.)

Thanks for the tips. I've been posting over a birdforum as well. Got some good bird watching tips as well as digiscoping help.

I just like the Swarovski as a stand-alone scope. I used one before and liked it. I think the Leica focus is smoother, but the scopes seem a bit heavier and larger... and the Swarvoski fits my eye just a bit better. I do agree, though, since I'm spending $2,000USD, I certainly don't want to get one that turns out to be a bad match for the camera I get. Do you know what scope digi-birder is using? I'll poke around myself as well, just thought I'd ask.

I've read digi-birder's trials with the CP4500. Sounded like a really faulty camera. I'm glad I didn't go through all that!

Since the "best" digiscoping camera seems to be gone, I'm falling back to "get something that will work reasonably well." But since so many people say "4500 or bust" when discussing digiscoping cameras, I feel I'm at a bit of a loss. I like to research purchases when I'm spending this much money.

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I recall digi-birder has a Kowa of some sort and made her own adaptor. I think the choice of Kowa over Swarovski was based more on her perception of good value for money at the time she bought it rather than on getting the best possible results for digiscoping regardless of cost. The Canon G3 was bought later to replace the problematic Nikon. In her osprey pictures in the gallery one should take account of the large magnifications probably involved and the possibly inferior performance of the Kowa over a Swarovski.

I don't see how purchasing the Swarovski will handicap you against any other terrestrial scope as far as digiscoping is concerned (that odd Brandon being the possible exception). It accepts an adaptor for 1 1/4" eyepieces (if thats the way you want to go) and of the terrestrial scopes is perhaps the first choice that specialist digiscoping eyepiece manufacturers will cater for.

The Brandon is odd in that it will accept 2" eyepieces and, unlike astronomical scopes, is designed to be rugged enough for terrestrial use. The advantage with that is that a 2" eyepiece has much more potential to be compatible with yer big lens digicams that have traditionally give bad vignetting when used for digiscoping.

Walther Loff on the BirdForum site uses a Nikon 5000 (bit more pricey but having been replaced by 5400, I think, some may be knocking around at reduced price). Don't know whether he has vignetting problems that require him to crop down from the native 5MP.

Surely Nikon won't completely kill off the line. And if they do, surely you'll find a reputable source for a S/H 4500, 995 or the 990 that many like best of all?
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