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Old Jan 31, 2011, 1:53 PM   #1
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Default 270 or 430 flash for Canon G 12 ?

I bought a Canon G12 a couple of weeks ago as a carry around camera.

I am thinking about getting an add on flash, probably either the Canon 270 or 430 model.

I have been a shutterbug for over 40 years, using/having slr/dslr, rangefinder 35mm, Medium Format-film.

I have flashes already...Vivitar 285 HV (had for over a quarter century) and a Pentax 360 , which I use with my Pentax DSLR system.

Canon 270 Pro's:
  • small , portable size
  • lightweight
  • doesn't overwhelm the G12, in terms of physical size
Con's:

  • low power
  • can't maneuver..ie: bounce , sideways,etc.
Canon 430 Pro's:

  • powerful
  • can bounce ....move sideways
Con's:

  • pricier
  • heavier


I've never used either the 270 or 430, so I don't know much about them when it comes to their abilities, etc. What I do know is based on assumptions , by looking at their spec sheets.


I'm thinking that if I buy the 270 I may regret not getting the 430 later.

What do you think ....270 or 430 and why.

Thanks,
Les
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Old Jan 31, 2011, 10:31 PM   #2
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Hi Les-

As you already know I am shooting with both the EX270 and EX430. I consider the EX430 a bit too large and a bit unbalanced for my G11, so I use the EX270 on my G11. The EX270 will bounce, but it is certainly not as powerful as the EX430, therefore the bounce is less effective, but the flash is more convenient.

As this will be your only Canon Flash, I would suggest that the EX430 is probably the better choice for the long term.

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Old Feb 1, 2011, 9:33 AM   #3
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Hi Les-

As you already know I am shooting with both the EX270 and EX430. I consider the EX430 a bit too large and a bit unbalanced for my G11, so I use the EX270 on my G11. The size of the 430 is the thing that holds me back. On one hand I want the capabilities of the 430, but on the other hand I want small size and portability. I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to defeat physics...but so far... The EX270 will bounce, but it is certainly not as powerful as the EX430, therefore the bounce is less effective, but the flash is more convenient.

As this will be your only Canon Flash, I would suggest that the EX430 is probably the better choice for the long term.

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Sarah,

Good point.....'long term'....that is something that is at the back of my mind...as you know I'm pretty committed to the Pentax DSLR system, 2 bodies, about 6 digital lenses (I lose count )
....but in my film days I ran a couple of systems..35mm and medium format.

I do find the full frame Canon 5d Mk 11 really appealing
...(the medium format Pentax 645D is more than my budget can support) so I'm leaning towards the 430.....bulk, power, capabilities + future considerations (if I ever get a 5D) vs small size of the 270.

It's never cut and dried it seems. I appreciate your knowledgeable advice, lot's of stuff to consider. Thanks, Les.

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I would go with a Nissin Di866... instead of the 430EX
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1. Cost wise there's not much difference between the two (Adorama pricing)
2. They both work on Canon E-TTL II (in case you see a 5D in your future)
3. However the Di866 (like the 580) is both Master/Slave whereas the 430 is a Slave only device
4. The Di866 is even more powerful for that bounce than a 580 (or the 430 for that matter)
5. In Auto mode, the Di866 (like your Vivitar) can work with the Pentax by picking an aperture
6. The Di866 comes with two heads for even more flexibility
7. Photography is all about lighting: the 270 is convenient, but its GN is quite puny when compared to other options, and not much more than the G12 built-in flash when it comes to bouncing (or other light modifiers)

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Thanks NHL for the info on the Nissin. I will check it out.
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both 270 and 430 are great, both aren't perfect. for use with your G12 I would recommend getting a 270ex - it balances very nice both on camera and off camera, 430ex is larger than G12 and makes it really top heavy and unbalanced, the feature set is great though. it's just horses for courses - for use mainly on camera - 270, off camera - 430, 580, Metz, Nissin, Sigma.
personally, I mainly use 270ex with my G11 - they make a nice balanced combo.
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Before you buy one, check out the new Canon Flashes: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11...peedlights.asp
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Before you buy one, check out the new Canon Flashes: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11...peedlights.asp
Thanks for the link...that was news to me. Thank you.
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I've just ordered a Canon G12 and had the same dilemma like you ... also, I was planning on buying another flash unit to use it as a slave for back lighting during macro photography ... but when I heard of the new Canon flash units coming up, I've decided to hold on till they release the new 270 EXII ... as it also works as a slave and does not "overwhelm" the G12
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