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Old Feb 10, 2011, 5:23 AM   #1
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have decided to buy a 3 in one system, with the priority being based on a scanner. I am not as bothered as I was about scanners when I first bought my PC, since the introduction of digital photography, but I would like a decent one, with that certain quality and they do come in handy from time to time. If you could offer an opinion on my thoughts below and answer my questions I would appreciate it, I have highlighted my main questions and conclusions in red

Scanner Options Intro
My priority within the 3 in one systems is a scanner and with scanners dpi is paramount, paticularly with 35mm slides.
The quality I was happy with prevoiusly was 2000dpi.

Below are links to two wireless scanner/printer/Fax/ systems.
I prefer Wireless and like the idea of the 3 in one system, because it would take the "wear and tear" of my main printer, as well as give me better communication options etc with use of a fax if my sever had a fault
I would want Signals from my PC as well as my laptop for both scanner and printer. Faxes don't require a signal such as this obviously.

A
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Officejet-4500-All-Printer-Print/dp/tech-data/B00381KG1Q 59.97
Scan Resolution: Hardware: Up to 1200 x 2400 dpi, Optical: Up to 1200 dpi, Enhanced Scan Resolution: Up to 19200 dpi

Does Option A allow me to scan slides and save as "Tiff" or would this be done in Photoshop?

Does option A allow me to transfer the scaned image to Photoshop CS5




B
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Officejet-6500A-All-Enabled-Printer/dp/tech-data/B003VMZSMY 89.97

Need scan resolution for above printer?

Does Option B allow me to scan slides and save as "Tiff"?

Does option B allow me to transfer the scaned image to Photoshop CS5?

Conclusion
I would also like to know in general why I am paying more for option B ?
Option A is the one I am more likely to buy, but your opinion is one I would value


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Old Feb 10, 2011, 1:33 PM   #2
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HP Officejet 4500 Wireless All-in-One Printer - G510n (CN547A)
Scanner Specifications:
- Scanner Type = Flatbed, ADF
- Scan Resolution, Optical = Up to 1200 dpi
- Bit depth = 48-bit
- Scan size, maximum (flatbed) = 8.5 x 11.7 in
- Scan Size, maximum (ADF) = 8.5 x 14 in
- Automatic Paper Sensor = No

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HP Officejet 6500 Wireless All-in-One Printer - E709n (CB057A)
Scanner Specifications:
- Scan Type = Flatbed, ADF
- Optical Scanning Resolution = Up to 2400 dpi
- Bit Depth = 48-bit
- Maximum Scanning Size = 215 x 297 mm
- Scan size maximum (ADF) = 216 x 356 mm
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Please note that you are only looking at "Printer - Scanners".
"Printer - Scanners" are "NOT" the same as an Image / Film - Scanner.

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I have a HP pc 1210 (all in one) printer, scanner, copier.
- The top lid, has an inside, solid white reflecting background.
- Can only scan images with a "Solid" background. (No Clear Images).

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I also have an Epson Perfection V500 Photo Scanner (6400 x 9600 DPI, 48-Bit).
- The top lid, has an inside, solid white reflecting background.
BUT
when I copied all of my 35 mm slides, I had to "remove" the top inside lid, with the solid white reflecting background.
A special inside reflector, in the lid, is now used.
For film negatives, I also have to remove the inside, top reflecting, white reflecting background.
To scan regular "solid pictures", the top lid, uses the inside, solid white reflecting background.
- With the Epson Perfection V500 Photo Scanner, I also received a "Free Registered Software"
(Adobe Photoshop Elements).
- With Adobe Photoshop Elements, I was able to flip, rotate, mirror, my 35 mm slides / images,
without any loss of image, "bytes".
- With Adobe Photoshop Elements, I was also able to "greatly improve" digitally clarify and enhance
my 35 mm slides.
- With Adobe Photoshop Elements, I was also able to save my new digital enhanced images, to my PC.

Facts:
1) Slides (35 mm), are see through "clear" images, that can be made from plastic film or glass image.
2) Camera film negatives, are "clear" images, that are made on plastic film.
3) When using a regular, "Printer Scanner", scanning "clear images", you will only receive a black box.
4) For "clear" image scanning, (Slides & Film), one will require a special "FILM" scanner.

Conclusion:
1) Purchase the correct product, for the correct requirements.
2) You only get what you pay for.

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Old Feb 10, 2011, 1:37 PM   #3
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Printer, photo scanners, will not work
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HP Officejet 4500 Wireless All-in-One Printer - G510n (CN547A)
Scanner Specifications:
- Scanner Type = Flatbed, ADF
- Scan Resolution, Optical = Up to 1200 dpi
- Bit depth = 48-bit
- Scan size, maximum (flatbed) = 8.5 x 11.7 in
- Scan Size, maximum (ADF) = 8.5 x 14 in
- Automatic Paper Sensor = No

HP Officejet 6500 Wireless All-in-One Printer - E709n (CB057A)
Scanner Specifications:
- Scan Type = Flatbed, ADF
- Optical Scanning Resolution = Up to 2400 dpi
- Bit Depth = 48-bit
- Maximum Scanning Size = 215 x 297 mm
- Scan size maximum (ADF) = 216 x 356 mm
Please note that you are only looking at "Printer - Scanners".
"Printer - Scanners" are "NOT" the same as an Image / Film - Scanner.
I have a HP pc 1210 (all in one) printer, scanner, copier.
- The top lid, has an inside, solid white reflecting background.
- Can only scan images with a "Solid" background. (No Clear Images).
I also have an Epson Perfection V500 Photo Scanner (6400 x 9600 DPI, 48-Bit).
- The top lid, has an inside, solid white reflecting background.
BUT
when I copied all of my 35 mm slides, I had to "remove" the top inside lid,
with the solid white reflecting background. A special inside reflector, in the lid, is now used.
For film negatives, I also have to remove the inside, top reflecting, white reflecting background.
To scan regular "solid" pictures, the top lid, uses the inside, solid white reflecting background.
- With the Epson Perfection V500 Photo Scanner, I also received a "Free Registered Software"
(Adobe Photoshop Elements).
- With Adobe Photoshop Elements, I was able to flip, rotate, mirror, my 35 mm slides / images,
without any loss of image, "bytes".
- With Adobe Photoshop Elements, I was also able to "greatly improve" digitally clarify and enhance
my 35 mm slides.

Facts:
1) Slides (35 mm), are see through "clear" images, that can be made from plastic film or glass image.
2) Camera film negatives, are "clear" images, that are made on plastic film.
3) When using a regular, "Printer Scanner", scanning "clear images", you will only receive a black box.
4) For "clear" image scanning, (Slides & Film), one will require a special "FILM" scanner.
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Old Feb 10, 2011, 2:45 PM   #5
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Can you elaborate further, my key question is do they both scan 35mm film?
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Old Feb 11, 2011, 11:38 AM   #6
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Image Scanning

Update:
I just replaced my old HP printer.
My new printer:
- HP DeskJet
- F4480
- All-in-One Inkjet Printer
Scanning Specifications:
- Scanner Type = Flatbed
- Scan Resolution, Optical = Up to 1200 dpi
- Bit depth = 48-bit
- Scan Size flatbed (maximum): 8.5 x 11.7 inch

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Examples of scanned colored 35mm slides: (x2)

Image # 1: (img001)
HP DeskJet = F4480
- solid white reflector, inside the top lid = Yes
- scan settings = Maximum
- scanning time = Very Long
- software included = H.P.
- software scan adjustments required = Yes
- software enhancements = None
- image / slide frame work shown = Yes
- image / result = Very Dark
- image date = 1967

Image # 2: (img002)
Epson Perfection = V500
- solid white reflector, inside the top lid = Removed
- scan settings = Standard
- scanning time = Very Quick
- software included = Canon
- software scan adjustments required = No
- software enhancements = Adobe Photoshop Elements #6 (Free)
- image / slide frame work shown = No
- image / result = Perfect
- image date = 1959 (Proof) (look at the License plate date).

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As I stated, you are looking at a Printer Scanner "NOT" an Image Scanner.
I may be wrong, but it did not work for me, to scan a 35mm slide,
on a printer scanner.
You are looking at Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/
in the United Kingdom.
Why not get the correct advice from HP Support in the UK.
Ask them, if you can "correctly" scan a "clear film" ?

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Note:
There are no available "shortcuts" when it comes to using "other" hardware and software, for other usages.
One must use the correct hardware and software, to acheive a final result.
One must determine what quality ($'s) they will desire, to acheive their final wanted, result.

Question:
What image do you prefer ?
What hardware / software, do you prefer ?

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FACT:
To scan a "35mm slide" or "Film" you will require an "Image / Film " scanner.
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Old Feb 12, 2011, 6:09 AM   #8
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I obvioiusly prefer image2, but image1 would suit me if I could crop inside the mount as pre scan or crop in photoshop when the image is fully scanned, the high dpi would allow this.
The last scanner I had was Microtek scanmakerX12usl (10 years old) which give me an option for scanning film. Sadly when upgrading to Windows7 Home edition premium, drivers could not be found for this.

I can establish the facts that the exaqmples I have given do not scan film of any description, or at least highly unlikely
What I do not understand is why would I be paying more for option B?

Can you buy an adaptor to scan film with option B?

Hp have yet to get back to me

Thank you for your feedback

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Old Feb 12, 2011, 12:49 PM   #9
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"Scanning Transparencies".

Hello Mr Shift:

#1)
I have been using Microsoft, since Dos 3.2
I have also experienced that each update for Windows,
"always" requires some software and or driver, updates.
That is why I am still using Windows XP, with service pack -3.
Each "newer" Windows version,
always causes trouble for the thousands of files in your "registry".

#2)
The old scanner you have is a Microtek - ScanMaker X12USL.
As you stated, their web site does not have a software update for Windows 7.
For a ten (10) year old scanner, I doubt they ever will.
It also has very low scan rate of 2400 x 1200 dpi.

#3)
Your old scanner is a Microtek - ScanMaker X12USL
- True 42-bit input and output
- Scan = 2400 x 1200 dpi
- 8.5" x 14" legal scan bed size.
LOOK HERE !
- An optional Transparent Media Adapter --> for "Scanning Transparencies".
- As large as 7" x 10".
- This is an image / film scanner.
- This is "NOT" a printer / scanner type !

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Facts:
- The key word = "Transparencies" (Slides and Film).
- When using the optional Transparent Media Adapter, with your Microtek ScanMaker X12USL,
you were able to scan "Transparencies", just like an image / film scanner.
- Your old scanner was a true image / film scanner.
- Printers, with Scanners, are "NOT" a true image / film scanner.
- Printers, with Scanners, do "NOT" have any adapters or drivers, for an image / film scanning.

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Conclusion:
- To scan "Transparencies" (Slides and Film),
one must use the correct type of scanner.
- A standard Printer - Scanner, will "NOT" copy, an image or film.
- There are "NO" adaptors available, for conversions.
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- There are scanners, and there are scanners.
- Choose the correct requirement, wanted.
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Old Feb 13, 2011, 4:41 AM   #10
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yes thanks but what am I paying more for with option B?
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