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lclarsen · Oct 28, 2004, 10:58 AM

Hi iacopo,

Thanks a lot for the comparison photos. What a difference! I think I might upgrade my camera after this.

Lookashek · Oct 28, 2004, 11:18 AM

I want "upgrade" too. BUT I dont know...i have new camera ( from August 2004) so -> warranty...

I dont know

Can I after RAW firmware upload back original firmware?

Thanks. Lukas

kbcomp · Oct 29, 2004, 6:37 AM

how is about Z3 firmware for RAW modus ?

Wavshrdr · Oct 29, 2004, 10:30 PM

Iacopo- what was the difference between RAW file size and the JPEG of the samples you showed? The difference is amazing. I want to be able to do this with my Z3! Good thing I bought a couple 1GB SD cards. Probably will need them if I can ultimately shoot in RAW mode for my Z3.

Ok, someone out there PLEASE hack the firmware for the Z3 to allow for RAW mode. It would definitely make it easier for me to do mulitple edits with no degradation in my original pic. The difference in fine detail is amazing.

iacopo · Oct 30, 2004, 6:12 AM

hi, jpeg with fine quality is ususlly 1.3M while the corresponding raw is 5.7M.

once the file is on your pc you have to convert to a compatible format. if you want to use Adobe Camera Raw you get an 11M file.

Wavshrdr · Nov 1, 2004, 4:57 PM

Thanks for the info. I would definitely like to have that option to have a RAW mode. I could then do the processing into .jpg for the photos that weren't so important to me. If nothing else it would give me a choice as to what level of compression I wanted. The RAW mode shows what this camera could really be capable of.

lclarsen · Nov 2, 2004, 2:32 PM

I just updated the firmware for my Z2 as well. Wow! Most impressive, I must say! It just adds a whole new dimension to this camera. Now I need a new SD card :-)

KueH · Nov 2, 2004, 5:30 PM

Wait for a bit. The new 2GB SD cards are coming out.

iacopo · Nov 3, 2004, 7:55 AM

...do not be frightened by the "System error" you might see after taking several pictures. It is just because you SD card is full.

I think that the reason is that the new firmware is not able to compute the right number of available shot in ECO+RAW mode (it just shows the number of picts as if the RAW file would not be saved). So it probably gives you an error because it thinks it could be write on the card but the card do not allow it.

Because the size of a jpeg+RAW pair is about 6M while the size of a ECO jpeg is about 400K you can get an estimate of the remaining shots by dividing by 15 the number the camera is actually reporting....(divide by 10 if you are optimistic, then divide again by two if you are pessimist!)

lclarsen · Nov 6, 2004, 3:16 PM

I just want to add one thing. Have you noticed any degrade in the number of pictures you can take with one battery charge? My batteries are becoming exhausted quicker when shooting raw pictures. This seems quite plausible, because it takes quite a lot of energy to burn the large amounts of data to the flash.

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Oct 28, 2004, 10:58 AM	#21
lclarsen Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	Hi iacopo, Thanks a lot for the comparison photos. What a difference! I think I might upgrade my camera after this.

Oct 28, 2004, 11:18 AM	#22
Lookashek Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7	I want "upgrade" too. BUT I dont know...i have new camera ( from August 2004) so -> warranty... I dont know Can I after RAW firmware upload back original firmware? Thanks. Lukas

Oct 29, 2004, 6:37 AM	#23
kbcomp Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2	how is about Z3 firmware for RAW modus ?

Oct 29, 2004, 10:30 PM	#24
Wavshrdr Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 65	Iacopo- what was the difference between RAW file size and the JPEG of the samples you showed? The difference is amazing. I want to be able to do this with my Z3! Good thing I bought a couple 1GB SD cards. Probably will need them if I can ultimately shoot in RAW mode for my Z3. Ok, someone out there PLEASE hack the firmware for the Z3 to allow for RAW mode. It would definitely make it easier for me to do mulitple edits with no degradation in my original pic. The difference in fine detail is amazing.

Oct 30, 2004, 6:12 AM	#25
iacopo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 309	hi, jpeg with fine quality is ususlly 1.3M while the corresponding raw is 5.7M. once the file is on your pc you have to convert to a compatible format. if you want to use Adobe Camera Raw you get an 11M file.

Nov 1, 2004, 4:57 PM	#26
Wavshrdr Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 65	Thanks for the info. I would definitely like to have that option to have a RAW mode. I could then do the processing into .jpg for the photos that weren't so important to me. If nothing else it would give me a choice as to what level of compression I wanted. The RAW mode shows what this camera could really be capable of.

Nov 2, 2004, 2:32 PM	#27
lclarsen Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	I just updated the firmware for my Z2 as well. Wow! Most impressive, I must say! It just adds a whole new dimension to this camera. Now I need a new SD card :-)

Nov 2, 2004, 5:30 PM	#28
KueH Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 84	Wait for a bit. The new 2GB SD cards are coming out.

Nov 3, 2004, 7:55 AM	#29
iacopo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 309	...do not be frightened by the "System error" you might see after taking several pictures. It is just because you SD card is full. I think that the reason is that the new firmware is not able to compute the right number of available shot in ECO+RAW mode (it just shows the number of picts as if the RAW file would not be saved). So it probably gives you an error because it thinks it could be write on the card but the card do not allow it. Because the size of a jpeg+RAW pair is about 6M while the size of a ECO jpeg is about 400K you can get an estimate of the remaining shots by dividing by 15 the number the camera is actually reporting....(divide by 10 if you are optimistic, then divide again by two if you are pessimist!)

Nov 6, 2004, 3:16 PM	#30
lclarsen Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	I just want to add one thing. Have you noticed any degrade in the number of pictures you can take with one battery charge? My batteries are becoming exhausted quicker when shooting raw pictures. This seems quite plausible, because it takes quite a lot of energy to burn the large amounts of data to the flash.