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Old Nov 2, 2004, 3:43 PM   #1
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Which printer is better the Cannon IP 4000 or Cannon IP 5000?
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Old Nov 7, 2004, 11:29 AM   #2
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I compared the two spec wise, basically, it appears the major difference between the two is the ip5000 is capable of 1.5 pl dots, which is less than the ip4000.An Epson rep claims that this is somewhat misleading because the ip5000 uses a combination of 1.5pl and 5pl dots, so it's not a true 1.5pl printer, again this was from an Epson sales rep, so I'm not sure if it is true.

The results I get from the ip5000 are better than I get on my i860 and s9000, so they have obviously done something to improve the print quality.My guess is the ip4000 is the next gen of the i860, where as the ip5000 sits between thei960 and ip8500.

If you are doingmostly photos you may want the benefit of a true six color printer, or spend the extra $150 and go with the ip8500 which offers 8 inks (standard six plus red and green).

For the money, and the quality, the ip5000hits the markfor me. I'dvisit a store that has all three and compare the output for yourself if you are really unsure.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 12:06 PM   #3
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I have been looking at these printers as well. In a review for the ip5000 from PC magazine they say...

"Significantly, the iP5000 offers even better-quality text and graphics than the iP4000. Unfortunately, it's one step lower for photo quality, and it's slower for photos as well."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1725838,00.asp

Then there is the review at Tom's hardware... at least it has print samples.

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer...025/index.html

It verifies that the ip4000 is faster than the ip5000.. they feel the ip5000 does pastels better.. I think the ip4000 looks a lil less grainy and the lady's face didn't have some odd green tinge going on with it.







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Old Dec 2, 2004, 2:00 AM   #4
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Guys, as a rule of thumb, if a manufacturer sells two printers of the same line, and one costs more than the other, and both use the same inks, the more expensive one is the better one :-)

In concrete terms: the IP5000 resolution and picoliter size make it better for photos than the IP4000. Both are great printers.
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I compared the two spec wise, basically, it appears the major difference between the two is the ip5000 is capable of 1.5 pl dots, which is less than the ip4000. An
This is slightly incorrect- it is capable of 1 picolitter, which is 1/2 the size of the IP4000 (2 picoliters). It also can process more resolution. Resolution and picolitters are not necessarily the same, but frankly the IP4000 dpi resolution is so high already that this really doesn't matter anymore. But the picolitters do.

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Epson rep claims that this is somewhat misleading because the ip5000 uses a combination of 1.5pl and 5pl dots, so it's not a true 1.5pl printer, again this was from an Epson sales rep, so I'm not sure if it is true.
The epson representative is trying to skew facts to his favors. First he's incorrect about the 1.5pl, it's 1.0 pl. I am not sure if the other print type is 5pl dots, but it's certainly bigger. This is only used for fast pigment based black and white text (this is that 3-type big black tank for text). The resolution of the printer in that mode is 600x600dpi.

To say the printer- because of that- can't be considered a true 1.0 pl printer is pure marketing spin. For photos the printer can do it, and if you really want to print text at 1.0 picoliters with the photo black you can indeed do it. But it will look better on normal paper with the 600 dpi pigment based black.

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The results I get from the ip5000 are better than I get on my i860 and s9000, so they have obviously done something to improve the print quality. My guess is the ip4000 is the next gen of the i860, where as the ip5000 sits between the i960 and ip8500.
More like it sits between the IP4000 and the IP6000D for photos. It's like an IP4000 on steroids.

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Old Dec 3, 2004, 9:59 PM   #6
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Actually.. in Reviews I've seen..

Even if iP5000 has better resolution and smaller drops, they say 4000 is a more dedicated Photographic printer.. while 5000 gives better text and graphics.. As if Canon has, in some way, designed them towards different kinds of use.. and dedicated them to this or that..
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Yeah.. but that depends what they design the products for..

If 4000 is designed for Consumer - SemiProfessional photographers (Home Use), and 5000 is designed for small offices.. there will be a differences..

Now.. this seems to be the case, since all reviews I've seen, say 5000 has way better text and graphic, but aren't that good on photo, while 4000 is better on photo and only average on text and graphic..

Probably has something to do with "firmware", the way the printer mixes those drops etc.. What they go for.. sharp or smooth..
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I saw some printouts of the p4000, p5000 and the i960, and felt the i960 had better more vibrant photos. Now again that is what I saw, I guess other people will have a different answer.
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Well, I printed text and 4x6 photos on both printers. They look alike. Can't make out much difference from naken eye.

The text looks same. The ip5000 photos look a bit saturated/contrasty compared to ip4000.


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I'm still looking for an "idiot's" guide to the difference between the 4000 and 5000. The best I've seen so far is in this forum guessing that the 4000 is aimed at home users and the 5000 at small business.

I spoke with Canon today and unfortunately they gave me completely incorrect information. (4000 is 4 ink, 5000 is 5 ink).

Has anyone out there been able to decipher the differences and justify them against the $70.00 CDN price difference. What I am looking for is an all purpose printer with good photo quality.

Any comments on how the 4000 stacks up against the R300 for this purpose?

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