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Old Jun 30, 2005, 8:11 PM   #71
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OH SCRAPP THAT, Wix XP-64, NO...More importantly -Canon should support ALL users of Linux, RedHat, and FREBSD! So what reason does every other printer manufacturer give for not supporting these operating systems? Talk about printer manufactures supporting current and former Win. OS versions, IF I HAD A NICKEL for EVERY customer that came into the store because their OLD HP PRINTER did not support the current OS, I'd be a rich man! Plus, what those smart, Programmer AND GEEKIE customers tell me is that, "Hey, I'll write the darn driver myself!" Tell me what consumer printers do support xp-64 RIGHT out of the box?
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(hello mc fly hello!) ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ (do we feel like a dumbass now? I thought so).

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(hello mc fly hello!) ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ (do we feel like a dumbass now? I thought so).

But I wasn't speaking of "linux".... I was speaking of xp64, you know microsoft.. small redmond company who has a tiny portion of the market share. While no I can't expect linux support (oh but wait... this IS supported), wasn't talking about that. I'm talking about the current microsoft operating system that is supported by HP and those other guys.

The reason why these "smart geekie programer" customers whom you speak of can't write drivers without the specifications... well unless they spend lots of time reverse engineering the new protocals or going the developers kit NDA route (I never tried getting one from canon). But you know, i'm not talking about those people.

But given the time involved in creating a driver, most of it would be red tape, signing a NDA for the devleopment kit. I'm telling you I can guarantee you it's a whole lot less trouble to chuck out these sub $150 canons and buy HPs that "are" supported.

But hey... Canon must be doing something right... there must be a good reason they are not supporting the CURRENT VERSION OF THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM. But jeepers!!! They have linux drivers but no xp64 drivers?

THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM!!!

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CURRENT VERSION OF THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM.



:roll:IS THIS CURRENT VERSION OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS, THE SAME CURRENT VERSION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS ALREADY PRE-LOADED ON EVERY SINGLE COMPUTER SYSTEMON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS AT ALL OF THE MAJOR RETAIL STORES/CHAINS IN THE US? Let me go check and take a poll. You are RIGHT THEN, if Best Buy, Curcuit City, MicroCenter, Fry's, CompUSA, Nebraska Furniture Mart, Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Sears, and ALL of the online internet based companies selling computers ALL have Windows-xp-64 bit preloaded for customers, then YES you're right, Canon is NOT doing anything right! They are loosing customer's by the thousands, perhaps, hundreds of thousands per day. But you're going to tell me that you don't shop at any of these places...I know..I know..YOU build your own computers from the ground up...I knew that!
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Old Jun 30, 2005, 8:21 PM   #72
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I already compared how the Canon printhead is made, using their CMOS or semi-conductor process, RATHER than "bonding" and how that Canon's printhead is superior, SPECIFICALLY when it comes to creating the "ink channel". Did you only read the sections that you want to bash me and Canon on or did you read all of it?

As far as the lightfastness with Canon paper and it's cost, heck I'll send you some, FREE! LOL What's the address? Also, Epson does quote their lightfastness abilities with different papers of their ownand makes reccommendations, just like everyone else.

I asked you to compair it to other techniques. I'm just an idiot consumer. You didn't go into bonding techniques at all, and use of sio2 seems like it would really limit the tempratures that you can use in the printhead, vs peizo which are actually mechanical and you can shove just about anything through them. I rather thought your description was actuallly very helpful in pointing out the limiting factors of mediums you can push through the head... but leaves me wondering how the heck the pro wides can use this for pigment ink.... seems to me they would get clogged very easily.

Anyhow... per your request I placed two photos by the same western window, both on the glossy paper plus, one old bottom HP, the other the Canon. We'll see what happens in a couple of weeks.

That still is not fair. Canon's rating, or rather their quotes for color lightfastness is based off of using the Photo PAPER PRO! Also, if the idiot consumer would READ the "care instructions" for handling, storing and displaying their photos, he would discover that it's NOT recommended to display a photo in direct sunlight, weather that means right by a window, or even outside! I can scan and upload these indications, if needed??? Also, Canon isn't the only one that gives these types of care instructions after printing, using their paper. I just opened a pack of Epson paper and there are similiar instructions for it's use, and care after printing - like not displaying pictures in direct sunlight and or near a windows - AND THIS is even though they (Epson), has a longer lightfastness when using their pigment based inks on only certain models. I wonder what Epson quotes for lightfastness on their dye based printers, which are the R300 and down.
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That still is not fair. Canon's rating, or rather their quotes for color lightfastness is based off of using the Photo PAPER PRO! Also, if the idiot consumer would READ the "care instructions" for handling, storing and displaying their photos, he would discover that it's NOT recommended to display a photo in direct sunlight, weather that means right by a window, or even outside! I can scan and upload these indications, if needed??? Also, Canon isn't the only one that gives these types of care instructions after printing, using their paper. I just opened a pack of Epson paper and there are similiar instructions for it's use, and care after printing - like not displaying pictures in direct sunlight and or near a windows - AND THIS is even though they (Epson), has a longer lightfastness when using their pigment based inks on only certain models. I wonder what Epson quotes for lightfastness on their dye based printers, which are the R300 and down.
It's perfectly fair to contrast how inks fade in direct sunlight. While my test isn't scientific and extream it does do a perfectly fair evaluations of realistic extreem conditions. The tests you quote are basicly done with floressent lamps turned up really high. I'm using a windowsill and direct sunlight. How else can I estimate the lightfastness of different inks?

Your the one who said it wasn't fair in the first place... so I reset the test. I'll see the results in a couple of weeks.


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Old Jun 30, 2005, 9:32 PM   #74
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S THIS CURRENT VERSION OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS, THE SAME CURRENT VERSION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS ALREADY PRE-LOADED ON EVERY SINGLE COMPUTER SYSTEMON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS AT ALL OF THE MAJOR RETAIL STORES/CHAINS IN THE US? Let me go check and take a poll. You are RIGHT THEN, if Best Buy, Curcuit City, MicroCenter, Fry's, CompUSA, Nebraska Furniture Mart, Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Sears, and ALL of the online internet based companies selling computers ALL have Windows-xp-64 bit preloaded for customers, then YES you're right, Canon is NOT doing anything right! They are loosing customer's by the thousands, perhaps, hundreds of thousands per day. But you're going to tell me that you don't shop at any of these places...I know..I know..YOU build your own computers from the ground up...I knew that!
The current version of windows is xp64. XP home and XP pro were introduced 25-Oct-2001. It's now 2005. Xp64 is current.. 32bit is old. The latest batch of acers that were ordered were preloaded win xp64. Minor issue with the wlan driver but no biggie, but guess what... canon drivers don't work on them. Guess what, the canons got chucked. Big suprprise!

And do you know what I see in Goodwill lately? More often that clogged Epsons? You guessed it... Consumer grade canons in perfect working order with the offical logo from the business they came from..

There may not be a xp 64 home that i'm aware, but OEMs and microsoft alike are offering this "Technology Advancement Program". The upgrade is free.

HP supports xp64
Canon does not

It's that simple.

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That still is not fair. Canon's rating, or rather their quotes for color lightfastness is based off of using the Photo PAPER PRO! Also, if the idiot consumer would READ the "care instructions" for handling, storing and displaying their photos, he would discover that it's NOT recommended to display a photo in direct sunlight, weather that means right by a window, or even outside! I can scan and upload these indications, if needed??? Also, Canon isn't the only one that gives these types of care instructions after printing, using their paper. I just opened a pack of Epson paper and there are similiar instructions for it's use, and care after printing - like not displaying pictures in direct sunlight and or near a windows - AND THIS is even though they (Epson), has a longer lightfastness when using their pigment based inks on only certain models. I wonder what Epson quotes for lightfastness on their dye based printers, which are the R300 and down.
It's perfectly fair to contrast how inks fade in direct sunlight. While my test isn't scientific and extream it does do a perfectly fair evaluations of realistic extreem conditions. The tests you quote are basicly done with floressent lamps turned up really high. I'm using a windowsill and direct sunlight. How else can I estimate the lightfastness of different inks?

Your the one who said it wasn't fair in the first place... so I reset the test. I'll see the results in a couple of weeks.

:idea: Well, your test isn't as bad as what Epson used to do in the stores they work in, well, they still do it. Has anyone seen the Epson reps bring in those glass containers of water with a wonderful Epson photo immersed and sitting there underwater? The Epson rep would stand there, show it to everyone and marvel over how his Durabright and or pigment based photos would NOT smear or run or fade after sitting in that jar of water, week after week. Then FINALLY! - We had a few professionals come in over one particular weekend, and it was like, reality check - EVERY customer, after listening to the Epson rep go on and on about his picture in that jar of water, almost each and every customer, all weekend long would ask, "Do you live near a lake, river, stream or ocean? - AND I don't know about you, but do you STORE your photos in water? LOL". I couldn't help but laugh out loud, every time a customer would ask that. Now while that's really to the extreme, most professionals, or people that have read up on how to care for their printed photos, try not to display them near a window or in direct sunlight, or for goodness sake, OUTSIDE! I have attended art fairs with seeing different gallery's from different photographers outside before, but this was just a showing, not permananent. While I guess the tests I'm talking about are done with florescent lamps, I thought that the Wilhelm reasearch labs are the authority.
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S THIS CURRENT VERSION OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS, THE SAME CURRENT VERSION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS ALREADY PRE-LOADED ON EVERY SINGLE COMPUTER SYSTEMON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS AT ALL OF THE MAJOR RETAIL STORES/CHAINS IN THE US? Let me go check and take a poll. You are RIGHT THEN, if Best Buy, Curcuit City, MicroCenter, Fry's, CompUSA, Nebraska Furniture Mart, Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Sears, and ALL of the online internet based companies selling computers ALL have Windows-xp-64 bit preloaded for customers, then YES you're right, Canon is NOT doing anything right! They are loosing customer's by the thousands, perhaps, hundreds of thousands per day. But you're going to tell me that you don't shop at any of these places...I know..I know..YOU build your own computers from the ground up...I knew that!
The current version of windows is xp64. XP home and XP pro were introduced 25-Oct-2001. It's now 2005. Xp64 is current.. 32bit is old. The latest batch of acers that were ordered were preloaded win xp64. Minor issue with the wlan driver but no biggie, but guess what... canon drivers don't work on them. Guess what, the canons got chucked. Big suprprise!

And do you know what I see in Goodwill lately? More often that clogged Epsons? You guessed it... Consumer grade canons in perfect working order with the offical logo from the business they came from..

There may not be a xp 64 home that i'm aware, but OEMs and microsoft alike are offering this "Technology Advancement Program". The upgrade is free.

HP supports xp64
Canon does not

It's that simple.

Are you saying HP supports it for ALL of their consumer line printers, or business oriented machines? Also, what about Epson?
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Are you saying HP supports it for ALL of their consumer line printers, or business oriented machines?
You tell me... this is your bag.

The HP DeskJet 450 does the trick. Little spendy... but it's got bluetooth, small foot printer. Like most people, phone the vender... "what you got that's small and supports xp-64... hp 450 you say... how much... great, send them". I don't know or care what class it's in. I'd say tiny class, very tiny class

Many of their business jets have postscript on board... and well... not a freaking issue.

I'm told 950 drivers come september, but I personaly can wait.

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:lol:Xp support out of the box, acccording to my disc

(according to my list XP 64 comes with support for)
i.e. blame microsoft if this is inaccurate

Stylus COLOR 800
Stylus Photo
Stylus Photo 700
Stylus Photo EX
Stylus COLOR 850
Stylus COLOR 440
Stylus COLOR 640
Stylus COLOR 740
Stylus Photo 750
Stylus Photo 1200
Stylus COLOR 900
Stylus Photo 870
Stylus COLOR 1160
Stylus COLOR 1520
Stylus Photo 1270
Stylus Photo 2000P
Stylus COLOR 860
Stylus COLOR 760
Stylus COLOR 670
Stylus COLOR 980
Stylus COLOR 680
Stylus COLOR 777
-AIO-
Stylus Photo RX600
Stylus Photo RX500
Stylus Photo RX510
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These were all schedualed to be relased by now.... not sure of their current status.
I'd reccomend you take the time to ask. I've only seen the beta for the R300.
i.e. blame epson if this list is inaccurate

Stylus C84
Stylus C64
Stylus Photo R800
Stylus C66
Stylus C86
Stylus C46
Stylus Photo R200
Stylus Photo R300
Stylus Photo R1800





But YOUR the sales guy... you should know this better then I ever could. It's your job isn't it?

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Are you saying HP supports it for ALL of their consumer line printers, or business oriented machines?
You tell me... this is your bag.

The HP DeskJet 450 does the trick. Little spendy... but it's got bluetooth, small foot printer. Like most people, phone the vender... "what you got that's small and supports xp-64... hp 450 you say... how much... great, send them". I don't know or care what class it's in. I'd say tiny class, very tiny class

Many of their business jets have postscript on board... and well... not a freaking issue.

I'm told 950 drivers come september, but I personaly can wait.

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Also, what about Epson?
:lol:Xp support out of the box, acccording to my disc

(according to my list XP 64 comes with support for)

Stylus COLOR 800
Stylus Photo
Stylus Photo 700
Stylus Photo EX
Stylus COLOR 850
Stylus COLOR 440
Stylus COLOR 640
Stylus COLOR 740
Stylus Photo 750
Stylus Photo 1200
Stylus COLOR 900
Stylus Photo 870
Stylus COLOR 1160
Stylus COLOR 1520
Stylus Photo 1270
Stylus Photo 2000P
Stylus COLOR 860
Stylus COLOR 760
Stylus COLOR 670
Stylus COLOR 980
Stylus COLOR 680
Stylus COLOR 777
-AIO-
Stylus Photo RX600
Stylus Photo RX500
Stylus Photo RX510
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These were all schedualed to be relased by now.... not sure of their current status.
I'd reccomend you take the time to ask. I've only seen the beta for the R300.

Stylus C84
Stylus C64
Stylus Photo R800
Stylus C66
Stylus C86
Stylus C46
Stylus Photo R200
Stylus Photo R300
Stylus Photo R1800






Don't you sleep? You must be independantly wealthy and not work for a living, good night!
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Don't you sleep? You must be independantly wealthy and not work for a living, good night!
Hello McFly... hello! I'm not in Wisconsin or whatever.

So where's canons xp 64 support.. hmmmm?



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Are you saying HP supports it for ALL of their consumer line printers, or business oriented machines?
You tell me... this is your bag.

The HP DeskJet 450 does the trick. Little spendy... but it's got bluetooth, small foot printer. Like most people, phone the vender... "what you got that's small and supports xp-64... hp 450 you say... how much... great, send them". I don't know or care what class it's in. I'd say tiny class, very tiny class

Many of their business jets have postscript on board... and well... not a freaking issue.

I'm told 950 drivers come september, but I personaly can wait.

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Also, what about Epson?
:lol:Xp support out of the box, acccording to my disc

(according to my list XP 64 comes with support for)

Stylus COLOR 800
Stylus Photo
Stylus Photo 700
Stylus Photo EX
Stylus COLOR 850
Stylus COLOR 440
Stylus COLOR 640
Stylus COLOR 740
Stylus Photo 750
Stylus Photo 1200
Stylus COLOR 900
Stylus Photo 870
Stylus COLOR 1160
Stylus COLOR 1520
Stylus Photo 1270
Stylus Photo 2000P
Stylus COLOR 860
Stylus COLOR 760
Stylus COLOR 670
Stylus COLOR 980
Stylus COLOR 680
Stylus COLOR 777
-AIO-
Stylus Photo RX600
Stylus Photo RX500
Stylus Photo RX510
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These were all schedualed to be relased by now.... not sure of their current status.
I'd reccomend you take the time to ask. I've only seen the beta for the R300.

Stylus C84
Stylus C64
Stylus Photo R800
Stylus C66
Stylus C86
Stylus C46
Stylus Photo R200
Stylus Photo R300
Stylus Photo R1800






Don't you sleep? You must be independantly wealthy and not work for a living, good night!
:roll: BTW, I do understand your POINT and you made a good one; However, do you have any statistical data on what the demand is in the US for the support of windows 64 and Canon printers? Or the demand for Win64 bit and ANY printer manufacturer? NOT an excuse, but you're ONE out of a million that's asking for it!

I KNOW this does NOT matter, but Canon HAS in fact already made it's current products COMPATIBLE with APPLE's latest OS X v.10.4- (TIGER)!. But that'snot a big deal huh? Do you know WHY these drivers are available from Canon? BECUASETHEOS X (Tiger), isin the stores,AND it's coming PRE-LOADED NOW in the stores. Ijust checkedinto your comment about MICROSOFT XP64 being their CURRENT OS and you going ON AND ON about Canon not having drivers.....

HOWEVER, you NEGLECTED TO comment when I asked ifYOUR PRECIOUS XP64was coming PRE-LOADED on ANY SYSTEMS at ANY of those 15 RETAIL OUTLETS in the ENTIRE FRICKEN COUNTRY (US)! BUT DOROTHY, WE'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE (we're in Finland,), AND THE ANSWER TO THAT ISA HUGE NO!! IN FACT, it will NOT even be shipped (pre-loaded), until NEXT YEAR! YOU KNOW THAT!! Andyou're NOT adumb consumer because you also know that IF it was in fact a pre-loaded OS available on consumer machines right now, Canon would have drivers out!You're just wantingsomething else to complain about!



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