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Old Sep 21, 2005, 4:58 PM   #11
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Does anyone have a DL link for the ip4200 service manuel?

The printer is on its way back. I'll get a replacement.

Strange though, the printer said the wrong ink's were in there, it said that version 7 tanks were required, the printer came with version 8 (with led's).


Hey rcaldjr2, do your ink tanks light up?
Sounds like your printer thinks it's japanese. Why not try setting it to America and see if it will print, assuming you mucked with the front panel.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 6:58 PM   #12
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Yeah, I initially printed out the rom info, and it was usa. I then switched it to '9' (I don't know why I chose 9, I remember reading its supposed to be pink). I then printed out the jpn rom. Then tried installing the printer and driver (usa driver), after a reboot the printer would not recognize the ink cartridges. The software would not recognize the ink tanks no matter what region was set :? (tried EUR also). I then had problems setting the region, since it would not print out a rom page. I also DL the latest driver (might be the current one) and during installation I chose EUR, that did not work also. The printer would not print anything, and just gave the error that the wrong ink tanks were installed. Weird huh!? I wanted to send the printer back with the usa region, I tried but then could not print the rom page.

I hope someone else with a usa version can post their experiences modding the ip4200.

When I get the next printer, I'm going to test it out normally and set everthing up, before messing with it :-? .
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 10:44 PM   #13
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Yeah, I initially printed out the rom info, and it was usa. I then switched it to '9' (I don't know why I chose 9, I remember reading its supposed to be pink). I then printed out the jpn rom. Then tried installing the printer and driver (usa driver), after a reboot the printer would not recognize the ink cartridges. The software would not recognize the ink tanks no matter what region was set :? (tried EUR also). I then had problems setting the region, since it would not print out a rom page. I also DL the latest driver (might be the current one) and during installation I chose EUR, that did not work also. The printer would not print anything, and just gave the error that the wrong ink tanks were installed. Weird huh!? I wanted to send the printer back with the usa region, I tried but then could not print the rom page.

I hope someone else with a usa version can post their experiences modding the ip4200.

When I get the next printer, I'm going to test it out normally and set everthing up, before messing with it :-? .
Near as I'm aware the bci-7s don't have chips. I've never met one so I don't know this for a fact. This is why I thought it was odd that the printer was asking for them by name. If your still experencing an issue it might be helpful to cover up your cartridges with black electrical tape, the electrical contacts that is. If it's asking for 7s that might convience it they are not 8s.
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Old Sep 23, 2005, 9:18 AM   #14
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Maybe I turned it into an ip4000 accidentally :-) . I kinda doubt it, and hope it was just a fluke.
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I have iP3000 and the driver creates a hidden holder on the root directory.:sad:

C:\BJPrinter\CNMWINDOWS\...

Does iP4200 driver still create it? I really hate it.




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Maybe I turned it into an ip4000 accidentally :-) . I kinda doubt it, and hope it was just a fluke.
Well.. it's more likely that you selected a printer that takes the bci-7s. What that printer is exactly I don't know. I just checked out the japanese site and they don't list ip4200s. I would guess that you may have turned your printer into a ip5100 or something else with similar specs.

[image pulled from druckerchannel]
http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel...54&seite=1

It's clear from this image that the chip is located on the tab. I don't have such a clear image of bci-7 but I strongly suspect they are chipless. So if your printer is asking for bci-7s, you only resolve is to either buy some from japan, or cover those contacts with electrical tape so that your printer thinks it doesn't have cli-8 s in it.

As far as a service manual goes... the only place I could find was was on drunkerchannel, and even then I had to navigate german to find someone who asked for a copy of one.
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PCI-7s are used for Japanese versions.

When iP4000 was released, iP4100 was releasedin Japan.

The difference between iP4000 and iP4100 is the ink.

The photos printed by PCI-7s last longer than PCI-6s.

Basically the same as the new inks introduced for iP4200 but the new ones also come with chips...

So Japanese version has been using the longer last inks already foryears now.


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I've since uninstalled everything, currently I do not have that folder. I'm sure its nothing important, probably a backup of the install info, you can probably delete it. I've had video drivers do that.

The printer is well on its way back. I'll post here when I get everything going again. Its funny b/c I tried to cancel my order, and I didn't do it soon enough, so the printer shipped out. I found out that I could have sent it back and at their expense, unfortuantly I opened the box, I would not have been able to get a refund. I was willing to settle for another r200 since it works okay and its cheap. This kinda sucks that I have to make my own tray (which I'm perfectly capable of doing), and not have the correct rollers installed to handle the cd/dvd printing. I hope the print quality makes up for all this extra work.

Hey, how about posting a link for the service manuel. Use one of those public storages, like: http://www.megaupload.com/
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PCI-7s are used for Japanese versions.

When iP4000 was released, iP4100 was releasedin Japan.

The difference between iP4000 and iP4100 is the ink.

The photos printed by PCI-7s last longer than PCI-6s.

Basically the same as the new inks introduced for iP4200 but the new ones also come with chips...

So Japanese version has been using the longer last inks already foryears now.

It's BCI, excpt for the ip4200 which are CLI-8 and PGI-5 (pigment black), and those other new ones which i'm too lazy to look up.

I'm not sure exactly why they changed the designation, I suspect because BCI-8 was an ink type in the early days... for example the Mac inkjet I think known as the aspen used a huge BCI-8 black.

My point was BCI-7 don't have chips that i'm aware. CLI-8s do. If the printer is asking for a BCI-7, the only way it can tell the difference is if it has a chip, so cover the chip and have the printer think it's a normal cartridge.


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Have just refilled the CL5 CL8 cartridges on Canon iP4200 after ink low and ink out message was received and LED light on cartridges was flashing. Easy to refill, same as BCI-6 cartridges. Once reinstalled, LED ink low lights keep flashing and status monitor indicates low ink. The printer allowed three more pages to print before ink out warning came up and printer stopped. Cancelling print job and restarting brought up the low ink warning again and a further three pages of print before the ink out warning stopped the print job. After this hapened about fout times, a message came on screen saying correct ink level cannot be detected, click OK to resume printing. Then a message came up saying refilled cartridge is being used, do you want to keep printing. Click yes and then a message saying more or less that the ink count on the cartridge was being disabled and this was recorded in printers memory and Cannon would not be laiable for damage caused to printer. Click OK and print jobs resumed, LED light on cartridges extinguished.
It appears that from this stage on the printer cartridges can be refilled and the printer willprint all jobs, butthe low ink warning is disabled. This means the level of the inks in the cartridge will have to be carefully visually monitored as there is no means for the printer to detect a cartridge running dry ans stopping the print job before damage is caused to the printheads. It also appears to mean that Canon can detect that refilled cartridges can be used and whichmay void any warranty work on the printer.



So you can refill these cartridges but it means that the low ink warning is disabled and Canon will know this if any warranty work is required - so user beware. However, the CL5 CL8 cartridges seem to have less ink in them than the BCI-6 cartridges, about 6ml for the colours and they cost an exorbitant Australian $27 each, A$135 for a replacement set for the iP4200. After two lots of reflling the cartridges as compared with buying two sets of Canon cartridges, you would be way ahead, even if you had to throw the printer away and buy a new one!!!

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