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Old Aug 18, 2005, 3:51 PM   #1
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Well, I've been using the cheap $50 ip1500 for about 8 months now and have been impressed by the quality of the pics I've printed with Canon Paper Plus paper. Of course my curiousity got the best of me and I began wondering how well do the ip4000 or 5000 prints compared to my ip1500. Could the prints get any better, I asked myself? My local computer store had the new ip4200 so I picked it up thinking that it is basically an updated ip5000 with the Chromalife inks and with a cheaper price ($129 vs. $179). My conclusion is that it certainly prints as good as my ip1500 but I cannot say that it prints noticeably better that my ip1500. I chose a pic that I printed with the ip1500 in the past and printed it with on the ip4200 with the exact same settings and paper. As I looked at both prints side by side I did not notice any significant difference. Next, I printed on Canon Paper Pro and set the quality to 1, which makes the ip4200 print in 1picoliter mode. The print still looked the same as the print from the ip1500 and the print from the ip4200 in 2pl mode. In conclusion, I'm sure that there are technical differences in the prints I made for comparison, especially 1pl vs. 2pl, but none of these differences are really visible to the naked eye. It seems as though the ip4200 is more expensive to operate since it needs the photo black that the ip1500 doesn't need. I'm still trying to accept that fact that the ip1500, which doesn't even have the photo black, prints as good as the ip4200. I think my hopes for improved prints with the 1pl feature are gone. All I have left is the hope that the Chomalife inks lives up to Canon's longevity claims. No, I'm not going to return the ip4200. I don't think my ip1500 will last for many years as I am expecting to see the Ink Resevoir Full Error pop up eventually. I doubt I would want to spend money servicing a $50 printer.
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All I have left is the hope that the Chomalife inks lives up to Canon's longevity claims. No, I'm not going to return the ip4200. I don't think my ip1500 will last for many years as I am expecting to see the Ink Resevoir Full Error pop up eventually. I doubt I would want to spend money servicing a $50 printer.

The nozzle count on the ip5000 is1,856. bk 320 C + M 512 x 2 Y pBK 256 x 2
The nozzle count on the ip4200 is 1,344 BK 320 256 x 4

So according to the specs the ip4200 head has technicaly a lower nozzle count, but it also looks like the nozzles for cyan and magenta is higher on the ip5000 but that's it. Seems an odd combo, and looks like it might have been a head designed for another printer.

The last thing I read about the Chromalife 100 inks was the claim was 30 years under glass, rahter than 25 years under glass for the old style chromalife. I don't have any links to back this up or anything.

The obvious benifit to the ip5000 is the lack of chipped tanks.

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Old Aug 18, 2005, 6:51 PM   #3
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I think maybe they reduced the nozzle count compared to the ip5000 so there would be a speed difference to justify a different price point.

Since Japan already has the iP4100 (same as iP4000) it makes since that the iP4200 is intended to replace the iP4000

For the same reason I believe the iP5200 will replace the iP5000 with iP5200R offered instead of the iP4000R.

Then there will be the:

iP6600D (ip6000D sub?)

Pixma 500 All-in-one (mp750 sub?)

Pixma 800 All-in-one (mp780 sub?)

These are the only models I have been able find.

I am more interested in whether the iP4200 uses the same CD tray as the current models. From the pictures on Newegg it looks like the slot may not even be blocked.








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Old Aug 18, 2005, 7:36 PM   #4
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I think maybe they reduced the nozzle count compared to the ip5000 so there would be a speed difference to justify a different price point.

Since Japan already has the iP4100 (same as iP4000) it makes since that the iP4200 is intended to replace the iP4000

For the same reason I believe the iP5200 will replace the iP5000 with iP5200R offered instead of the iP4000R.

Then there will be the:

iP6600D (ip6000D sub?)

Pixma 500 All-in-one (mp750 sub?)

Pixma 800 All-in-one (mp780 sub?)

These are the only models I have been able find.

I am more interested in whether the iP4200 uses the same CD tray as the current models. From the pictures on Newegg it looks like the slot may not even be blocked.


http://detail.zol.com.cn/67/66149/pic.shtml
http://detail.zol.com.cn/picture_ind...dex54076.shtml
Here we are.

This looks like a series of images for the CD printing version of the ip4200. Unfortunatly the B is inside the printer, so I can't honestly tell if it's the same.
I can't see the slot well enough on the newegg pics to judge whether it's blocked or not.

If it wasn't for that pesky duplex feature they could get away with saying the front feeder was for envelopes, post cards, and non-bendable media, and enable it... and anyone who happens to buy a tray and prints on cd that's their own lookout.


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Old Aug 20, 2005, 5:34 PM   #5
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I looked on the Cannon USA web site. It says the IP4200 uses 4 dye based inks and one pigmented (black) ink. Is this something new?
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I looked on the Cannon USA web site. It says the IP4200 uses 4 dye based inks and one pigmented (black) ink. Is this something new?
Not really... I'm not up on canon history and have a huge blind spot for many of their models, but I know for a fact the ip4000 and ip5000 use two blacks.

Even the higher resolution and 1pl drop size was offered in the ip5000.

The only thing really new is the chipped tanks and the chromalife100 ink.
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Can the ip4200 chipped tanks be refilled with third party bulk ink?

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ACTUALLY, the nozzle count of the
ip4200 is 1,856: bk 320 C+M (512x2) & Bk+Y (256x2)

the exact same as the ip5000. just to clarify this, i got it off canon's own site.

the ip4200 really is the new ip5000.

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The nozzle count on the ip5000 is1,856. bk 320 C + M 512 x 2 Y pBK 256 x 2
The nozzle count on the ip4200 is 1,344 BK 320 256 x 4

So according to the specs the ip4200 head has technicaly a lower nozzle count, but it also looks like the nozzles for cyan and magenta is higher on the ip5000 but that's it. Seems an odd combo, and looks like it might have been a head designed for another printer.

The last thing I read about the Chromalife 100 inks was the claim was 30 years under glass, rahter than 25 years under glass for the old style chromalife. I don't have any links to back this up or anything.

The obvious benifit to the ip5000 is the lack of chipped tanks.
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ACTUALLY, the nozzle count of the
ip4200 is 1,856: bk 320 C+M (512x2) & Bk+Y (256x2)

the exact same as the ip5000. just to clarify this, i got it off canon's own site.

the ip4200 really is the new ip5000.

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The nozzle count on the ip5000 is1,856. bk 320 C + M 512 x 2 Y pBK 256 x 2
The nozzle count on the ip4200 is 1,344 BK 320 256 x 4

So according to the specs the ip4200 head has technicaly a lower nozzle count, but it also looks like the nozzles for cyan and magenta is higher on the ip5000 but that's it. Seems an odd combo, and looks like it might have been a head designed for another printer.

The last thing I read about the Chromalife 100 inks was the claim was 30 years under glass, rahter than 25 years under glass for the old style chromalife. I don't have any links to back this up or anything.

The obvious benifit to the ip5000 is the lack of chipped tanks.
You know what's odd... I remember checking my specs off the canon site. Not that you are wrong the site clearly lists your numbers as being correct but I can still see some other web references to 1344 nozzles, and an equal number of each color nozzle.

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zakezuke wrote:
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phillytim wrote:
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ACTUALLY, the nozzle count of the
ip4200 is 1,856: bk 320 C+M (512x2) & Bk+Y (256x2)

the exact same as the ip5000. just to clarify this, i got it off canon's own site.

the ip4200 really is the new ip5000.

zakezuke wrote:
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The nozzle count on the ip5000 is1,856. bk 320 C + M 512 x 2 Y pBK 256 x 2
The nozzle count on the ip4200 is 1,344 BK 320 256 x 4

So according to the specs the ip4200 head has technicaly a lower nozzle count, but it also looks like the nozzles for cyan and magenta is higher on the ip5000 but that's it. Seems an odd combo, and looks like it might have been a head designed for another printer.

The last thing I read about the Chromalife 100 inks was the claim was 30 years under glass, rahter than 25 years under glass for the old style chromalife. I don't have any links to back this up or anything.

The obvious benifit to the ip5000 is the lack of chipped tanks.
You know what's odd... I remember checking my specs off the canon site. Not that you are wrong the site clearly lists your numbers as being correct but I can still see some other web references to 1344 nozzles, and an equal number of each color nozzle.
Then those sites would be wrong.
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