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Old Jan 21, 2006, 4:14 PM   #1
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I`m not sure which to buy ? The new Mp-800 with it`s 1pl droplets but no third party ink therefore prints costing double the price then the Mp-760 ones.

The Mp-760 with the 2pl droplets but much cheaper ink.....

Very important to me is the print quality,will there be a visual difference between the two when printing A4 format pics ?
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Old Jan 23, 2006, 10:19 PM   #2
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I`m not sure which to buy ? The new Mp-800 with it`s 1pl droplets but no third party ink therefore prints costing double the price then the Mp-760 ones.

The Mp-760 with the 2pl droplets but much cheaper ink.....

Very important to me is the print quality,will there be a visual difference between the two when printing A4 format pics ?
I can't honestly answer your question as i've not seen much in the way of output from the new canon models. I am a mp760 owner. I would reccomend you evaluate the Canon Pixma iP4000 vs the Canon Pixma iP5200. These two models should represent what you'd expect out of the mp760 and mp800 respectivly. Text should be similar between your two choices, regular mode should be similar, fine mode should be better on the mp800 based on the numbers. But there is simply no replacement for going into the shop and printing off your images on your paper or the OEM reccomended paper and seeing for your self.
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Well here in Brussels they don`t give you the opportunity to try out the printers before purchase.It would have been the perfect solution to my questions.

I see you own a MP-760....are you happy with the result when you print pictures at the A4 format ?
The main reason why i would go for this printer is the third party inks....just to give you an exemple:

Here in Brussels the canon ink costs 12 euro and then you can buy ink from the firm "pelikan" for 6 euro....that`s half the price.

Do you use third party ink and is the result as good ?
Another of my concerns is the longetivity of the ink....when printed will the result stay good for many years or does it fade away.
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Well here in Brussels they don`t give you the opportunity to try out the printers before purchase.It would have been the perfect solution to my questions.

I see you own a MP-760....are you happy with the result when you print pictures at the A4 format ?
The main reason why i would go for this printer is the third party inks....just to give you an exemple:

Here in Brussels the canon ink costs 12 euro and then you can buy ink from the firm "pelikan" for 6 euro....that`s half the price.

Do you use third party ink and is the result as good ?
Another of my concerns is the longetivity of the ink....when printed will the result stay good for many years or does it fade away.
If the issue is cost of the ink then you want to go for the MP760 as that will still accept 3rd party ink... The MP800 uses the newer chipped cartridges and those are unlikely to be duplicated for some months.
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Well here in Brussels they don`t give you the opportunity to try out the printers before purchase.It would have been the perfect solution to my questions.
I think perhaps if you tell the store staff "I'll buy one of these two printers depending on what the output looks like, and you can keep the prints to show others" they would be agreeable. It's good solid logic and might require you to do some legwork and pick a store that will meet your needs.

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Here in Brussels the canon ink costs 12 euro and then you can buy ink from the firm "pelikan" for 6 euro....that`s half the price.
I know of Pelikan, sold under the name Nu-Kote in the states as well as under the store label in "office depot" IIRC, but have never used it. Swiss company, nice pens. I personaly don't use it but rather use ink I buy from MIS which i'm sure is made by "Image Specalists". I know it's imported to The Netherlands. Another choice in bulk ink is Formulabs. OCP another bulk ink out of Germany IIRC.

There was a German article on Druckerchannel that actually reccomended Pelikan IIRC but my German is pretty bad, not as bad as my Flemish but pretty horrid. I get told to sit in the corner and be ashamed in that neighborhood.

http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel.php?ID=54
http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel.php?ID=52
http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel...21&seite=6

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Do you use third party ink and is the result as good ? Another of my concerns is the longetivity of the ink....when printed will the result stay good for many years or does it fade away.
I prefer the Canon OEM black, the bci-3e, but I still use MIS ink and live with the slightly longer dry time.

Fading is an issue. It's believed that in order to make a spiffy lightfast gasfast ink would cost more, something that most refillers and 3rd party users might not pay for. http://www.lyson.com/ is the only company I know of that makes inks with a claim of decent longevity but I've not used it nor do I know of anyone who has tested it. In the states in photoshops it costs as much as OEM.

"3[sup]rd[/sup] party inks can give a decent longevity when printed on Kodak Ultima and coated with 2 coats of ClearShield. It is probable that this will also help Canon ink, but this combination was not tested. It is also possible that conventional swellable papers can be used if they are first sealed with a solvent based sealer before the water based sealer is applied to prevent smearing the ink." --nifty-stuff.com

-longevity-
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading.php
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/inkjet-fading1.php

Also see
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=12198835

-color quality-
http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/inktest.html

I keep these things index on this page
http://pixma-faq.periastron.com/10.html

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The main reason why i would go for {the canon mp800} is the third party inks.
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If you are willing to take a needle and syringe, refilling the cartridges on the mp800 should be no problem. It took me a while to master this art. The trick seems to be making sure you have a good seal at the bottem when you refill the OEM, actually keeping those green/orange tank covers and using rubber bands to seal it as you drill a hole, add ink, and seal the top again with a screw, rubber plug, epoxy, or hot glue. They make special ink change stations that permit you to plug in a cartridge that are less messy. The inks you see reviewed are available in Europe.

For me the cost savings when taking into account the fact that I buy refillable cartriages at USD$5.00ish each, my savings is 85% using ink that is documented to be pretty good and used worldwide. OEM cartriages cost more but I believe they can be filled more often. I tend to see mucking after about 60ml of ink used in the 3rd party empty cartridges I buy.

The enclosed image was printed on my ip3000, technicaly a lesser printer than the mp760. The French title of this video would be "Lum" or "Lamu", Spanish "Lum, la chica invasora". It was more popular in Europe than America. But the ink is MIS, the scan doesn't really do it justice, but it should give you some idea.





But if you simply must buy prefilled cartridges, or 3rd party empties, you have little choice but to go mp760. If you can refill your self, the mp800 is a legit option.

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