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Old Feb 7, 2006, 8:25 PM   #1
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Hi, I am new to this site but I have been debating on which photo printer to purchase. I want a wide format printer and have been looking at Canon i9900 and the epson r1800. I have been leaning more toward the canon because I've read it has more vibrant colors, less ink waste than the epson, and the inks are less expensive than epson. I plan on printing mostly glossy color photos. I heard the epson gloss optimizer tends to dull the photo colors, the inks are a little higher and the printers are more prone to print head problems than Canon. The last factor that has me debating is print life. I don't really plan on selling photos, at least not in the immediate future (and if I did it would most likely be at weekend flea markets etc.). Now, I know epson uses the pigment ink which last much longer than dye which Canon uses. I've heard the Canon can lasts up to twenty years in an album or begind glass, as oppose to epson's 100+ yrs. But then I have read where people's prints have faded only after a short time. I am wondering is this is isolated, and possibly the persons didnt use the best paper or storage correctly. So, I am debating between the two and can't make up my mind at all. And then, I read Canon may be announcing a new photo printer that uses ten ink catridges and it is pigment ink. I am wondering if this is true and if I should hold off a little. Does anyone have any info on this? I need someone to tell me what to do because I can not make up my mind. Thanks for the help!
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Old Feb 7, 2006, 10:11 PM   #2
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The new Canon color inks are still dye based and not pigment. I have no experience with the new inks, but the older Canon ink will fade pretty fast even under glass if hung on the wall. By pretty fast I mean maybe 6 months. That becomes days if direct sun can hit them. So if their 30 year ink lasts 6 months on the wall their 100 year ink might last a couple of years.

The Epson pigmented ink will last longer – probably longer than the new Canon inks. One thing I like about the Epson 1800 is that you can print a 40 inch wide panorama with it. Canons allow only 24 inch prints.

I refill my cartridges with MIS and Inkjet Goodies ink. The aftermarket inks may fade a little faster than the Canon ink, but not by a lot.

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Old Feb 8, 2006, 4:04 PM   #3
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Just joined this forum and thought I would give my opinion on the fading issues some people have with Canon inks.

I personally have had no problems with Canon inks fading. I have been using a i965 for over 2 years now and have prints on my wall some under glass other just pinned to the wall, in full sunlight and shade and see no sign of fading at all. I also have printed several prints for a local school and these have been on display for sometime also with no sign of fading. I think its the enviroment that they are kept/displayed in which is to blame for premature fading. Of course to get the best longevity from your prints you do have to use the recomended papers with original inks and not third party inks and papers.

Although Epson R1800 produces extreamly good looking prints (with high fade resistance) it isn't, in my mine opinion, quite up to the quality of the Canon on Glossy paper. Matte/art paper it a different story as the output is far superior to the Canon and only just below that of the R2400.

The trouble with both these printers is the cost of the inks which can be extreamely expensive if making a lot of prints and can overtake the cost of the printer in a very short time.

I have overcome this by buying a HP DJ30 printer. Although more expensive than the other two the ink costs are very low. I have so far printed over 60 A4/A3 and the inks show no sign of going down. I have seen figures of 250-300 A3 prints from a set of cartridges. Fade resistance is very good on the correct paper and the output on HP premium photo glossy paper is absolutely fantastic.

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Old Feb 23, 2006, 6:18 PM   #4
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The new Canon color inks are still dye based and not pigment.
No, the new Pixma Pro9000 and Pro9500 use eight color and ten color pigment inks respectively.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/ca...xmapro_pr.html
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Old Feb 23, 2006, 6:22 PM   #5
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Clark1995 wrote:
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And then, I read Canon may be announcing a new photo printer that uses ten ink catridges and it is pigment ink. I am wondering if this is true and if I should hold off a little. Does anyone have any info on this? I need someone to tell me what to do because I can not make up my mind. Thanks for the help!
If I were in your situation, and had the budget, I'd wait a little longer and see how the reviews come in on the new Canon Pixma Pro printers that use pigment ink. I've been using the i9100 for a few years and love it, but the temptation of the Pixma Pro9500 may be to great. I'm looking forward to Steve's and other reviews to start coming in on this!

Here's a link to the Canon press release:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/ca...xmapro_pr.html
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Old Feb 24, 2006, 12:00 AM   #6
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The new Canon color inks are still dye based and not pigment.
No, the new Pixma Pro9000 and Pro9500 use eight color and ten color pigment inks respectively.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/ca...xmapro_pr.html
I thought the pro9000 was dye and the pro9500 was pigment. I get this data from the japanese website where the pro9000 has a chromalife100 icon and the pro9500 has

http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/pro9500/index.html
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/supply/pr...uspro9500.html [pgi-2]
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/pro9000/index.html [BCI-7E] aka CLI-8 us

I could be wrong... but it looks like the pro9000 is basicly the next generation i9900 and the pro9500 is their first attempt to use the imageprograf / lucia inks in a prosumer printer.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/21/canon/index.php
http://cweb.canon.jp/imageprograf/li...000/index.html
http://www3.canon.de/pro/plo/drucksy...0/foto_ipf5000

Also interesting is the a2 printer iPF5000... 12 tank lucia pigments 130ml if my data is correct. But that will likely run a couple of grand vs the pro9000/9500 which presently doesn't even have a MSRP listed.


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Old Feb 24, 2006, 7:44 PM   #7
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I thought the pro9000 was dye and the pro9500 was pigment.
Yes, I stand corrected. In my excitment regarding the pro9500, I overlooked the fact that the pro9000 is still dye based. Thanks for clearing that up!
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Old Feb 24, 2006, 8:39 PM   #8
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The point is not whose information is dated---the point is that Canon will introduce one or more printers that use pigment based ink. And until information become available past vague press releases no one know much of anything about these new printers. Or what chip cartridge problems they will be paired with.

But the immediate question is will Canon pigmented ink share the handicap of less vibrant colors in exchange
for less fading? Or will Canon pigmented ink offer better than Epson offering in the pigmented ink area?

Until these and other questions are answered in some detail---its worth noting these printers have come out and little else. Because endless speculation get no one anywhere.
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Old Feb 25, 2006, 3:05 AM   #9
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http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home...rs/Bubble_Jet/

ix5000

ix4000

pro9000

pro9500

in english and yes the 9000 is a dye based printer and the 9500 looks like the first pigment based printer.

Also new USA models:

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...categoryid=103

mp800r

mp830


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