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Old Jul 4, 2006, 9:29 AM   #81
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I seem to remember being told that if one uses a refilled cart, the printer will remember and invalidate your warrantee (if that is legal) even if you go back to using virgin Canon carts. Is this so? If so, then there is memory in the printer whether or not there is also memory in the chips.
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Old Jul 4, 2006, 12:44 PM   #82
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Question: has anybody tried putting a cart that thinks it is empty in a different printer yet? What does the ink monitor display?????

I dont believe it is necessary for the chip or the printer to identify each other, only their status, therefore if a chip is told by Printer "A" (a 5200?)"you are now empty", it puts that info on the chip.

If you then put that cart in Printer B (a 4200 ? perhaps) it interrogates the chip and ses " I see you are empty " I will tell the Status window this information........then if you force printing it will tell that printers epromm.........they are using refill ink...void the warranty.

All theory.........but I have a 4200 waiting in the wings...to test one day......but not soon.................
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Old Jul 6, 2006, 3:25 AM   #83
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Well, it's been a month now and my situation hasn't changed much..

Printer #1 with all the cartridges marked "empty" (ie: refilled) since June 8th has been continuing to print without problem and I've gotten no "printer = die" type messages or re-prompts about non-OEM.

Printer #2 has only one cartridge left to declare itself "empty" so that too will join the "test" set soon.


I've also got a new MP500 to add to the mix as I've recently bought a refurb to play with and converted that immediately to a CIS unit thanks to a drill, glue gun and some other bits and pieces. I used original full carts to do it (empties are just not available anywhere!) so the ink levels are full at present.

Anyways, the lack of further problem reports leads me to believe that the issues people saw may have been caused by other issues such as:
  • Fouled cartridges[/*]
  • Fouled sensors[/*]
  • Chip slipping from position[/*]
  • etc...[/*]
I guess we'll see over time but it does look like refilling isn't quite as fraught as we imagined.



Anyone want to take bets on the future? :lol:
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Old Jul 6, 2006, 3:48 AM   #84
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Thanks for the up-date. I agree it's starting to sound like we were worrying about nothing. Just re-fill your ip4200 carts etc as normal, ignorethe warnings -and off you go!


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Old Jul 9, 2006, 6:35 PM   #85
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The 5 second Paper Feeder trick works on my ink guzzling ip6600D - which by the way is only a few weeks old. I haven't even gone thru my 150 pack of paper and it's gone thru eleven (11!!!) CLI-8 ink carts, plus another is now empty and another is running low. I love the outstanding print quality...but I don't think I love it *THAT* much!

I need another ink solution and soon or I won't be able to afford to use this thing; right now, my ole Lexmark isn't looking so bad afterall...

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Old Jul 9, 2006, 7:07 PM   #86
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The way I see it, I'm not worried about invalidating my warranty because my ink guzzler (iP6600D) has drank it's own cost in ink. I'm willing to try Inkmaster's method because the savings will pay for several printers in no time at all...

Peace,

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 2:20 AM   #87
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Not sure I'm understanding your posts too well DY as they're a bit all over the shop but I did get that you're paying a fortune for these things.

As far as we've been able to work out there's no real problems with refilling the cartridges but you've be advised to check them regularly and top up whenever you can. This helps reduce problems with the sponge drying out and also reduces your chances of the printer locking up.

There's some good ink suppliers out there although you should note that testing done on a few forums by experienced users indicates that most 3rd party inks don't have the same longevity as Canon OEM inks.. Somehow I doubt that'd be an issue though..

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Sorry 'bout the posts; I was reading thru the thread and replied to 2 posts (one being the paper feeding trick to stop the idiot alert of low ink and the other regarding the warranty concern of using 3rd party ink).

In those messages, I suppose there's a warning to prospective iP6600D buyers that it's a very thirsty machine and deep pockets will be needed for ink cartridges. So far with 130-odd pages printed, I just replaced cartridge #13 and have a low idiot light on another. At $14/pop, that's calcs out to about a $200/month for recreational printing. Compare to my old Lexmark where I'd have to replace cartridges once every month to month and a half or so at a fee of ~$50.

So now I'm faced with an issue of shelving this machine or going refill. Ink refills sound easy - I'd get the larger bottles, use I.V. tubing setups to spike/hang the bottles and cartridges, then top off the inks when I was done printing - just like getting an I.V. of antibiotics or other fluids in the hospital. No air bubbles, outside air, no mess, no fuss.

Now, I don't believe Canon makes their own inks/dyes...they have to outsource them; and the company they get their stuff from must also make inks for other manufacturers and print shops. The question is, *who* is it...???

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Not sure I'm understanding your posts too well DY as they're a bit all over the shop but I did get that you're paying a fortune for these things.

As far as we've been able to work out there's no real problems with refilling the cartridges but you've be advised to check them regularly and top up whenever you can. This helps reduce problems with the sponge drying out and also reduces your chances of the printer locking up.

There's some good ink suppliers out there although you should note that testing done on a few forums by experienced users indicates that most 3rd party inks don't have the same longevity as Canon OEM inks.. Somehow I doubt that'd be an issue though..

All the best
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Now, I don't believe Canon makes their own inks/dyes...they have to outsource them; and the company they get their stuff from must also make inks for other manufacturers and print shops. The question is, *who* is it...???
It would seem that making their own inks/dyes would be a must. It would keep their formula safe, and they could control the quality.

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It would seem that making their own inks/dyes would be a must. It would keep their formula safe, and they could control the quality.
Possibly, although there's always been discussion about this over various newsgroups, forums, etc... Bottom line, whoever they are is not selling it outside of the Canon OEM cartridge group.

Some good alternatives do exist though and I've been sourcing mine from Gemini Colours (I believe they get their ink from Image Specialists but couldn't be 100% sure in repsect of their Canon inks) so MIS as an alternative I.S. supplier are a good bet if you're in the USA.
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