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Old Aug 12, 2006, 9:14 AM   #131
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What so good about the MIS ones?

http://www.inksupply.com/canoninks.cfm
MIS have been known as a good quality ink supplier for a Loooong time... just do some googling for MIS associates or inksupply.com and you should see what I mean.

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I dont understand there measure..Oz?? Christ they dont even have a picture.
Well it's American and they use fluid ounces (USA style).. Not everywhere uses metric and as for a picture.. why do you need one? It's ink in bottles..


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Could u recommend me to some good high quality American sites that sells refills/refill kits (the tools needed for refilling)
MIS (Imagespecialists reseller as previously stated)... Used them for years... and the refill kits are available from there too:
http://www.inksupply.com/cankits.cfm#ip4200
and instructions from that page too..

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Also whats the difference between a CIS system or a compatiable inks? WHere could i buy CIS system? I have the original Canon ink chips.
A Continuous ink supply (CIS) system provides a kit that feeds ink from external reservoirs to specially adapted cartridge units via a flexible tube that moves with the printhead. Thus you don't need to remove the cartridges to refill them and instead just top up the reservoirs as required.

..to clarify one thing though... CIS systems and refilled cartridges will both use compatible inks, the difference is in that CIS's are refilled at the reservoir bottles (external to the printer) while refilling cartridges is exactly what it says it is... manually refilling..

CIS's require more technical knowledge and care...

As to CIS kits for the iP4200.. there are some available on the market but they are very much untested and unreviewed at present...
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Old Aug 12, 2006, 9:38 AM   #132
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I dont understand there measure..Oz?? Christ they dont even have a picture.
The link you posted has a note at the bottom of the page converting Oz. to cc's, a unit of measurement I'll bet you are familiar with.

Check out the very usefull tiny stand-alone application called "Convert" that will convert all types of units of measurement, both metric and US, and is free. It can be found at http://joshmadison.net/software/. I have no affiliation whatsoever with this app or its author.
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Old Aug 12, 2006, 9:49 AM   #133
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Hey guys just purchased the HobbiColor from an ebay meember in American. Total is $35 AUS which is pretty cheap, the pigmented one that is less likely to clog the ink as i dont care about wareproof.

MCiP4200-C Color & Black Refill Kit for CANON iP4200, 5 - two oz bottles, 4 refills for each color (CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M, CLI-8Y, PGI-BK)

I mgiht buy these as well..how long do they last for? Why dont they have a picture?

I checked their site they only take credit card for international payment..i have only paypal.
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Old Aug 12, 2006, 10:09 AM   #134
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Hey guys just purchased the HobbiColor from an ebay meember in American. Total is $35 AUS which is pretty cheap, the pigmented one that is less likely to clog the ink as i dont care about wareproof.
Pigmented is still more likely to clog that dyebase but the ultimate way to reduce clogging is regular use of the printer..

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I mgiht buy these as well..how long do they last for? Why dont they have a picture?
What is with the picture fixation.. How informative can it be? All it could possibly show is a coloured liquid in a container of some sort and with the page on MIS being chock full of different types, it's just extra clutter.

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I checked their site they only take credit card for international payment..i have only paypal.
Well there's quite a few places won't take PayPal given the fact that PP have a nasty habit of cutting people off from their funds with no warning and no recourse...

You have to remember there's plenty of scammers out there too and international buyers are harder to track down and recoup payment for unless you're dealing with a credit card (not prefect by any stretch of the imagination though).
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I shouldnt have bought pigmented ink :sad: is dye better? I was wondering why it was cheaper
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Old Aug 12, 2006, 7:06 PM   #136
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Ok i'll consider buying these:
MCiP4200-C Color & Black Refill Kit for CANON iP4200, 5 - two oz bottles, 4 refills for each color (CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M, CLI-8Y, PGI-BK)

Are they dye ink based?
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Hi all, Wonder if anyone as come up with a way of checking the cart's. without pulling them out? Don't think its a good idea to keep pulling them as this will allow foul air etc. to get into the ink gallerys etc. and of course airlock problems(5200 user really)
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I shouldnt have bought pigmented ink :sad: is dye better? I was wondering why it was cheaper
Ok... quick intro to the iP4200 and the inks used..

The PGI-5BK is a pigmented black while the PCI-8 cartridges are all dye based. Now to add to that you want inks that are specially formulated for the printer because different inks have different properties... For this reason universal inks are to be avoided because simply put, they aren't universal at all and various user report problems with different printers.

As for the MIS associates kits they will be the proper inks, ie: one pigment black and 4 dyebase colours + black.
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Hi all, Wonder if anyone as come up with a way of checking the cart's. without pulling them out? Don't think its a good idea to keep pulling them as this will allow foul air etc. to get into the ink gallerys etc. and of course airlock problems(5200 user really)
Fraid not... The only way to avoid the constant open, remove, check, replace routine is to consider a Continuous Ink Supply system (CIS) and then you only have to check the reservoir levels.

However CIS kits for the iP4200/5200's, etc.. are still very new and largely untested so you'd be taking something of a risk at the moment if you went that route. Might be worth holding fire to see how they work out, see how any problems are corrected and get a good idea of who is and who isn't a good supplier.
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Old Aug 14, 2006, 2:51 AM   #140
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I just bought the hobbi colour and a ful lset of MIS + the black dye. I wanted t oget 2 oz of the other 4 colour but that would shift the postage up to $25 (originall $12) so i dont see the point of doing that.

I was considering an CIS but why in the hell do they cost like $200+
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