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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:02 PM   #1
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Total newbie to this board.

I have a question to people living in the southern part of the world, especially Australia. I've been investigating non OEM ink options and I'm overwhelmed by the varietyon optionsout there on the market. I'm just curious as to what people are buying in Australia (especially Idle who seems to be the Epson guru), NZ etc.

It seems that the three major companies that people recommend are Formulabs, Hobbicolor and MIS which seem to all be US based (I can disregard Hobbicolor as they only supply ink for canon).

In summary:

What ink have you found to give as good or better results than the OEM for the Epson R310, R300, R200 etc.?

Is the ink economical in terms of bang for buck?

Was there much fiddling with settings to get the colour correct?

Also, what paper gives you the best result (plus bang for buck)?

I am only consideringdoing the refills usingnew spongeless cartridges. CIS would be overkill for my print output at thistime.

Sorry if this info is already available in other threads but I couldn't find any data that was directly related for those of us living in the southern hemisphere. I should add that I don't mind spending the extra dollars if the ink comes from the states, I'm looking for quality inks for quality prints and in any case non OEM inks will still be cheaper than the OEM versions.

Thanks in advance :-)

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 10:47 AM   #2
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Total newbie to this board.

I have a question to people living in the southern part of the world, especially Australia. I've been investigating non OEM ink options and I'm overwhelmed by the varietyon optionsout there on the market. I'm just curious as to what people are buying in Australia (especially Idle who seems to be the Epson guru), NZ etc.

It seems that the three major companies that people recommend are Formulabs, Hobbicolor and MIS which seem to all be US based (I can disregard Hobbicolor as they only supply ink for canon).

In summary:

What ink have you found to give as good or better results than the OEM for the Epson R310, R300, R200 etc.?

Is the ink economical in terms of bang for buck?

Was there much fiddling with settings to get the colour correct?

Also, what paper gives you the best result (plus bang for buck)?

I am only consideringdoing the refills usingnew spongeless cartridges. CIS would be overkill for my print output at thistime.

Sorry if this info is already available in other threads but I couldn't find any data that was directly related for those of us living in the southern hemisphere. I should add that I don't mind spending the extra dollars if the ink comes from the states, I'm looking for quality inks for quality prints and in any case non OEM inks will still be cheaper than the OEM versions.

Thanks in advance :-)
http://image-specialists.com/GlobalDistributors.htm

While Image Specalists and Formulabs (sensient) are US based, they ship all over the place including among other places China where they get filled into cartridges. I have had some experence with Image Specalists and the r200 and found it to be nothing sort of brillient. Spongless cartridges on the other hand I found to be nothing short of a pain on the tookus, but I think the folk to made mine changed the design.

http://www.alotofthings.com/supportf...inkGG_VVG.html
http://www.alotofthings.com/supportf...rnational.html

While alotofthings is US based, the cartridges listed here are pretty global. While you said "spongeless" you might consider prefilled sponges, a chip resetter, and refilling those. If I were to break out my Epson again I would likely buy sponges and refill those.

www.discountcartridges.com.au <- know nothing about this company other than they were listed on Nifty Forums.

http://www.cartridgedepot.com.au <- know nothing about this company other than they are listed as an offical distributor of "Image Specalists" ink, not listed on the website, but they seem to be a "ask us in e-mail" type place.


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Old Apr 26, 2006, 4:19 PM   #3
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An excellent fact and link filled post by Zakezuke. Just glad I live in the USA where supply problems are easier.
But for anyone in the world, that post by Zakezuke is a five star gem.

I have only one thing to add----I have costed out Canon usable ink prices--when bought in the form of BCI-3&6 cartridges-----and I come up with $2600 a gallon in the BCI-3ebk ---and $4300 when bought in the form of BCI-6 colors. And from what I have seen---thats cheap compared to other makers.--some smaller cartridges cost out well above $10,000 a gallon.

Yet one can get TOP QUALITY refill ink--specifically blended for your brand of printer for under $100/gallon
Retail--when bought in bulk----prices still seldom exceed $200/gallon when bought in smaller 8 ounce or 4 ounce
units. By the way, the gallon unit is just an arbitray unit, its the ratio that counts.

Knowing this, its not rocket science to say refilling saves.
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Old Apr 28, 2006, 4:55 AM   #4
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Thank you for your responses.

Zakezuke - I checked out the sites and there is some good info on these pages. Alotofthings seem rather cheap and that raises the question of quality. I wonder if they are as good as the OEM inks? Image specialist have a very professional appearance. I'll see if the Aussie sites fill their cartridges with Image Spec. inks. I have not had a chance to check out the formulabs site.

Osage - there are a lot of suppliers in Australia but I don't have any data on their products. I was hoping some locals may have had some experience with their inks.

Currently I'm not using that much ink so I'm gravitating towards buy cartridges, hopefully ones that are filled with inks from the manufacturers you mentioned above.
If my output increases I'll buy the 60ml bottles of ink to refill.

Appreciate the time both of you took to reply to my questions.
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Old Apr 28, 2006, 8:12 AM   #5
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I can't really add much to the recommendations on inks, as I tend to buy a lot at once so don't check the suppliers out very much.

What I'm using at the moment came from the US and I can't see any difference between it and the OEM ink.

When it runs out I have some locally bought stuff that's equally good, but unfortunately the supplier has now gone out of business (couldn't compete with the cheap Asian products) -- I picked up about 3 litres from him when he closed.


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Old Apr 28, 2006, 2:19 PM   #6
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GildedFortune wrote:
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Thank you for your responses.

Zakezuke - I checked out the sites and there is some good info on these pages. Alotofthings seem rather cheap and that raises the question of quality. I wonder if they are as good as the OEM inks? Image specialist have a very professional appearance. I'll see if the Aussie sites fill their cartridges with Image Spec. inks. I have not had a chance to check out the formulabs site.

Osage - there are a lot of suppliers in Australia but I don't have any data on their products. I was hoping some locals may have had some experience with their inks.

Currently I'm not using that much ink so I'm gravitating towards buy cartridges, hopefully ones that are filled with inks from the manufacturers you mentioned above.
If my output increases I'll buy the 60ml bottles of ink to refill.

Appreciate the time both of you took to reply to my questions.
Well, alot of things is US based, I only included those links for referance purposes... as in cheap cartridges that use foam that can be refilled.

As for quality, 1/2 2/3 the cost of OEM is typical for aftermarket using the better ink, it's also typical for some unknown stuff i've not met. For example, the free ink that came with my cartridges faded so fast it wasn't even funny. Didn't harm the printer at all just wasn't worth using. The price is typical for the likes of Nukote/Pelikan, Printrite, and some of the store brand names. I have no experence with any of these guys, in the states there are fewer brand names on the shelves but more store brands than you can shake a stick at.

Nifty-Stuff Inkjet Printer Forum

This is a better place to find out info on such things, though most of the data is for Canon. Thankfully it's common for good ink like that from Formulabs / Image Specalists / and even OCP (Germany IIRC) to get shipped to china and filled in cheap cartridges.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 5:25 PM   #7
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Thankyouall for the impartedinformation.

Idle - Is it alright to ask what brand of US based ink you're using? If it's as good as the OEM I'll definitely give it a go.

In the end I suppose it's up to me to experiment and determine which ink would be best suited for me in terms of quality, price and my current print output. Everyones needs are different and only time, experience and exposure to the different products will answer these questions me.

If anyone else would like to add anything I'm all ears...or shouldI say eyes:-)
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