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Old Mar 3, 2007, 7:13 PM   #1
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Old Mar 4, 2007, 5:52 AM   #2
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Good Shot!!!!! You were able to catch the action nicely.
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Old Mar 4, 2007, 2:20 PM   #3
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Nice capture in what looks to be some pretty tough lighting.

One question though. Did you blur the background in post processing? The area below (behind) the ball looks odd. Or did you clone something out?
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Well, yes. It was a long telephoto shot, and on the next field were some players in bright red uniforms. Because of the crowned field, they were cut off at the knees.

Cloned out a lot of grass, and had to rebuild a tree next to the building in back. And then blur it to the focus. Not much fun. Theshot she blocked was unexpected, and by the time I squeezed the shutter, the ball was out ofthe frame,so I cloned that in, and motion blurred it.




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Old Mar 4, 2007, 6:29 PM   #5
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hmm.

I can understand cloning out other players. Not a big fan of the idea of cloning in a ball though. You don't have a lot of control overy what's in the background, but cloning in a ball is a bit different. Just seems more dishonest somehow.
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Any time you change anything in a photo, it's "dishonest" in that sense. Removing something that was there is, clearlymore "dishonest" than cloning in something that was just outside the frame.

If this was presented as evidence in a courtroom, it would be seriously dishonest. But that's not what it's for.






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Old Mar 5, 2007, 6:16 AM   #7
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Well, look at it this way - Both respondents commented on how well you captured the action. But that wasn't really the case - you DIDN't capture the action, you missed it. Happens to all of us - we all miss great shots by a fraction of a second. But cloning a ball in to make it look like your timing was on the money just seems wrong to me - especially for a photo posted on a sports photography forum or feedback.

But it's an interesting subject for discussion - maybe the other shooters here feel differently than I do and I'm just a stick in the mud :G
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Or the lighting could have been all wrong, or I could have exposed it wrong. I'd have missed it. And then, postprocessing to correct exposure, say by reducing contrast to show a face, would be "dishonest." Or would it? Honesty would be showing what actually happened.
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to equate exposure correction being the same as adding a ball to a frame. With exposure correction or WB adjustment you are working with what was already in the image. You aren't adding something that wasn't there and passing off like you actuall caught the moment.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"I would venture a guess that color and exposure and crop adjustments are expected parts of any photo - i.e. a REASONABLE photographer looking at another photo could assume any or all of the above were done. Now, I know that sports photogs and photojournalists do that all the time. But, I think it's an interesting question so I'm going to start another thread to discuss the issue. I'm interested in how other people view the topic.


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Old Mar 5, 2007, 9:55 AM   #10
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The action of the player was good but it is a shame you missed the ball (it happens).... personally this one would have hit the cutting room floor and stayed there rather than being kept or at most kept if without the ball. I will add my comments on the whole arena of PP to John's new thread.

One edit that I would have liked to have seen would be the rotation of the shot as the post in the background is distracting.
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