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Old Dec 26, 2004, 10:12 AM   #11
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Heh, heh - I'd love to have both the Better Beamer and the 580EX but right now I'm just trying to recover financially from the purchase of the camera, 2 L lenses, and 1.4x TC.

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Old Dec 26, 2004, 10:20 AM   #12
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Some really nice shots. If you don't mind, could you post a 100% crop
around the juncos head w/o noise reduction. The reason I ask, I'm
teetering on the edge of getting 20D. I have a couple photos of
slate-colored juncos that have a similar background @ 800 and would
like to compare the noise and initial capture quality.
Woodmeister, I missed your original request, so below is the 100% crop you were looking for. I'm not sure that you can really use this as a good comparison with your shots. That's because it was one of the first 5-10 shots I took with this lens and my technique for getting steady pictures handheld is, as yet, lacking. So, softness you'll see will be a combo of both the 20D's AA filter + my lack of technique.

The noise that is present is actually more than I've seen in other people's pictures with the 20D at ISO 800. Part of that may be that because of the dark shooting conditions I wasn't able to expose to the right (histogram-wise) as much as I wanted to, thus emphasizing noise.

In any case, here's the 100% crop you wanted to see:


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Canon cameras seem to have more dark and light noise. So the dark shooting conditions could easily bring out the noise. I see that all the time.

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Old Dec 26, 2004, 10:52 PM   #14
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Hi Geoffs,

Congrats on your new toy. You are going to have blast with it. Especially after waiting so long to get a camera with some reach.

Can't wait to see the quality photos I know you will be turning out with it.

I think your 20d has less noise than my d70 at 800mm. Hard to say for sure as some photos show it more than others. The noise does not look bad at all in these.

Very nice shots for your first venture.

I am jealous of your backyard birds. All of my bird shots are seek and shoots.


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Old Dec 26, 2004, 11:14 PM   #15
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Thanks for the kind comments, zoomn.

The thing about these birds in my backyard is that what you see is what you get... What I mean by that is that my backyard doesn't see much variety in birds - basically just song sparrows, juncos, scrub jays, crows, some goldfinches is all. Beyond that, I have to seek them out like you do.

The only one of the posted pictures that did not have noise reduction was the last posted one, the 100% crop photo of the junco's head. The 3 original photos all had NeatImage noise reduction.
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Old Dec 27, 2004, 4:25 AM   #16
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Thanks Geoff, I really appreciate your posting of the image. When I
compared the images, there was very signifigant difference in the noise
levels. I also went back through my files to find an ISO 400 image with
a background that was similar and found that there was difference there
as well, although subtle, a difference none the less. As a result, my
credit card has worked its way a little further out of my wallet.
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