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mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 7:14 AM

Introduction:
To help out a friend, yesterday (09/07), I began to write a Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial. As an instructor, I always enjoy writing and helping fellow photographers out. This tutorial will be posted in segments. It is designed to help those folks who are attempting to decide what external flash to use on that lovely hot shoe that Canon built into the S-5IS camera design. Then the tutorial will also move forward even further by discussing how to better use an external flash unit that both tilts and swivels, such as the Canon EX-430 flash, and others. so, it will be both about the external flashes available for the Canon S-5IS and how to make use of them.

Purpose:
This is not intended to be the "final word" or a definitive piece at all, on the flashes for the Canon S-5IS or the best techniques for using those external flashes. Instead this is BOTH a tutorial (a learning assist) and a springboard to further discussion on the external flashes available for the Canon S-5IS camera and how they can be used. So please jump right into the discussion. All are welcome, and together with some real collaborative effort, by everyone, we can probably learn a bit more about the Canon S-5IS and the external flashes that it can use.

My Background:
I am sure that many of you have seen me before in this forum, if not this folder. I add many posts to this Forum. I am a professional photographer and an instructor. I have taught photography for the last 12 years for various state universities, our local Community College, and along with my husband, we also conduct workshops on cruise ships all over the world. Yes, I can offer experience and I really like to teach. However, please bear in mind that I do not profess to know it all. Instead, in many instances, I might have to go to other sources to get a truly definitive answer for you. So please, view this as a joint or common discussion, where we are all here to learn a bit more about photography together.

I will proof read the eight pages I have written thus far, and then print them out and photograph them so I can begin to post them one at a time. I really do not desire to handle any PM's regarding this Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial. So if you PM me regarding this thread, please know in advance that this is an open discussion for everyone and I will not answer any PM's about this thread. That way it is open to every one. It is 0500 or 5:00am here so It will be a couple of hours before I can proof read and photograph those first pages already written. To all, have a great weekend.

Sarah Joyce

P.S. Yes, I prefer to be called just Sarah, rather than my "handle," which is "mtclimber." At age 72, it has been a few years since I really tackled any mountains. My husband, of almost 50 years (our anniversary is later this month) always used to climb those mountains with me and he is now handicapped and using a scooter, so the nomenclature "mtclimber" is nothing anymore but merely a "handle." Thanks for understanding.

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:21 AM

As promised earlier, here is page 1 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:23 AM

As promised, here is Page 2 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutirial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:24 AM

As promised here is Page 3 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:53 AM

As promised, here is Page 4 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:54 AM

As promised, here is Page 5 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 11:56 AM

As promised, here is Page 6 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 1:30 PM

As promised, here is Page 7 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 1:33 PM

As promised, here Page 8 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 1:36 PM

As promised, here is Page 9 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...al090807A-.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 2:41 PM

As promised, here is Page 10 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...ial090807A.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 2:42 PM

As promised, here is Page 11 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...ial090807A.jpg

mtclimber Sep 8, 2007 2:45 PM

As promised, here is Page 12 of the Canon S-5IS Flash Tutorial.

Sarah Joyce

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...ial090807A.jpg

mcliu Sep 8, 2007 11:51 PM

Sarah I really appreciate for all the pain & labour you take to enlighten us .
I just come to this thread to read all the tips you give to newbie and amture alike with a great patience and care.
I applude your style of writing, where all the technical aspect of the cam is written in easy to understand manner

Cheers

mtclimber Sep 9, 2007 10:36 AM

mcliu-

Many thanks for your praise and appreciation. I like to teach and have been a profesional for over 50+ years. So sharing and helping comes naturally.

Today I will add more to this thread as we have to go into the techniques of using upward (ceiling) and sideward (wall) bounce. Those are typical wedding techniques, but they are so good they can be used in almost every situation such as family groups, holiday situations, and casual at home shooting where you want to mute your flash.

In the final analysis, it is technique that really improves the photos.

Sarah Joyce

mcliu Sep 11, 2007 11:57 PM

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Hi Sarah, I am afraid it won't be a nice picture, but your comments and suggestion will be very valuable to me.
Here I am posting 3 pictures, 1st one with A-640 direct flash in center weight metering mode with aperatrue mode. The next two with SB-22 flash as slave in manual mode.
I think problem is very obevious in 1st one .
Last 2 the flash does work . But some issue needs to be thrushed out (Last night worked out, that A-640 to be put in manual mode,to get the slave flash to work properly)

mcliu Sep 11, 2007 11:58 PM

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2nd with SB-22 as slave

mcliu Sep 12, 2007 12:00 AM

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3rd with SB-22 as slave

Thanks in advance for suggestions

mcliu Sep 12, 2007 12:16 AM

I think I miss to put more information in my post . So let me eloberate here,
In 1st picture The flash of A-640 is downward to dog head, Flash output is placed at full.

In Last 2 images, the flash output of the cam is reduced to last quater ( To make it trigger SB-22 flash)

My whole excercise was aim at removal of unwanted reflection from the dog eye.And ofcourse if I could get a better exposure then that will be "Bonus" for me.

( My dog was pretty mad with me last night with lights on and off,LOL):lol::lol:

ac.smith Sep 12, 2007 9:37 AM

Sarah:

Congratulations yours and Bradley's upcoming 50th.

Thanks for the tutorial. You've packed a lot of useful information into a relatively small space - well done. I'd like to see a non camera specific version dealing with distance and quality of light information added to the permanent collection in one of the lighting forums.

To some extent Canon has now differentiated their S series from the others in the marketplace by the inclusion the smart hot shoe. Sony and Kodak should pay attention.

A. C.



mtclimber Sep 12, 2007 9:37 AM

mcliu-

The basic issue is too much light resulting in overexposure on all three photos. Personally, I would much prefer to bounce the flash off the ceiling. The lighting would be much less powerful, giving you an exposure that was correct, and your dog would be much happier with you because the light was indirect and a good deal softer.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...ition09120.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...1207Sty780.jpg

The first photo shows the flash head in the Ceiling Bounce & Fill Light Position. This directs the bulk of the light upwards to bounce off the ceiling, and let's a bit spill foward to balance the light on the subject's face. The second photo is the Full Ceiling Bounce which bounces virtually all the light off the ceiling.

I believe either of these would give much more effective lighting for your photo. Please let me know how it works out, Thanks!

Sarah Joyce

mcliu Sep 12, 2007 11:58 AM

Thanks sarah , I will give it a try and let you know

mtclimber Sep 12, 2007 3:10 PM

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mcliu-

Thinking of the flash photos of your dog, when I saw this photo, I thought of you. This photo uses a fill flash in the upper pight hand corner. The use of the fill flash is to highlight the dog's beautiful coat. I think the color is a bit off in the photo, but this photo demonstrates the technique quite well.

Sarah Joyce


mtclimber Jan 4, 2008 8:12 AM

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01/04/2008

Just a quick follow-up to the S-5 Flash Tutorial. The techniques within the S-5 Flash Tutorial, actually apply to all hot shoe mounted flash units. Here is an example photo taken last night of my husband using an Olympus E-410 equipped with an Olympus 18-180mm lens and the Olympus FL-50 flash.

This photo was taken with the flash head tilted toward the subject by about 15 to 20 degrees. Therefore the bulk of the light was bounce flash, a very effective, no shadow type of lighting.

I will only be home for just 4 days before I head out once more for another month of teaching, but I will be happy to handle your questions during the time that I am home. We leave once again on Tuesday morning early at 7:00am PST.

Sarah Joyce

flaggirl1956 Jan 5, 2008 1:43 AM

Thanks Sarah for making flashes easy to understand. I am going to buy one for sure now that you explained how to use it.

Sorry to be asking this dumb question butwouldIuse the external flash for all the pictures in the house or could I just use the external flash all the time?

The flash in the camera is only good for 10feet so that isnt very far unless you are doing close up.

Sorry I dont know much yet but I am learning and so glad that there are great people like you willing to take the time to teach.

Cathy

mtclimber Jan 5, 2008 7:18 AM

flaggirl-

The S-5 is an excellent camera, but the best photos are obtained when the ISO setting is kept to ISO 200 and below.

In addition the S-5's built-in flash is range limited to 10 feet or less.So if you want to eliminate those ugly, harsh shadows in your flash photos (please see my attached sample photo) then use an external flash and employ bounce flash, which is very effective.

I take lots of indoor photos and I use my external flash to do it. In the long run you will be more pleased with your photos if you take a minute and mount the external flash.

Sarah Joyce

jack55 Jan 7, 2008 4:00 PM

:cool:Well.. just ran across this! Excellent post. I am now considering the Opteka EF-600 DG Super E-TTL flash as I think the Canon flash is way too expensive!

mtclimber Jan 7, 2008 5:45 PM

Jack-

In all fairness, I have to give this small warning. My Opteka Flash has worked flawlessly and continues to do so. However, after I recommended the Opetka flash to a friend and she ordered the Opteka EF-600 flash, it failed in the first week. Now she is angry with me, and has a problem to deal with between herself and the retailer.

So please be cautioned.

Sarah Joyce

jack55 Jan 7, 2008 5:58 PM

mtclimber wrote:
Quote:

Jack-

In all fairness, I have to give this small warning. My Opteka Flash has worked flawlessly and continues to do so. However, after I recommended the Opetka flash to a friend and she ordered the Opteka EF-600 flash, it failed in the first week. Now she is angry with me, and has a problem to deal with between herself and the retailer.

So please be cautioned.

Sarah Joyce

and that would be digicamluvngirl

What do you think what happened there?



Can I have permission to post some of your jpgs on another forum?


mInDtrIP Jan 7, 2008 6:02 PM

A very nice tutorial indeed! I feel like I must now find myself an external flash! But like many, I am having trouble convincing myself to spend the $ for the 430EX... the optica sounds interesting, but as per your warning, its still 3rd part and still over $100. Does anyone have any experience with the Bower flashes? A quick search on ebay revealed the Bower SFD35C seems to be the equivilent, and at around $70 its still almost half the price of the Opteka.
I really dont want to buy something that is a piece of crap, but I also dont want to spend $130 on one thats also questionable and probably difficult to return. Hmmm.

mtclimber Jan 8, 2008 9:46 PM

Well, in all fairness I am obliged to report that my Canon EX 420, purchased 8.5 years ago is still going strong and I use it all the time. My Optela EF-600 flash purchased this past July is also still going strong, but for a much shorter duration.

Only time will tell more. It is all about long term durability and reliability.

Sarah Joyce

redisol Jan 14, 2008 6:01 PM

How's the refresh time of the Opteka compared to the 430ex? I'm also considering buying the Opteka but I'm waiting for news on what happened to Digicamluvngirl's unit.


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