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rockdhero Sep 14, 2010 10:08 AM

Canon SX30IS 35x zoom announced : woooow
 
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PowerShot SX30 IS

35x ultra wide-angle zoom
Optical Image Stabilizer (4.5-stop), USM, VCM
14.1 MP CCD
6.8 cm (2.7") vari-angle LCD, EVF
HD movies, HDMI
Smart Auto
Manual modes, Low Light and Miniature Effect movie
Zoom Framing Assist
Servo AF/AE
Extensive accessory system

SX30IS vs HS10 Side by side specification at down

moderator : please change title to "Canon SX30IS 35x zoom announced and specification comparison with HS10" or something like that

Hards80 Sep 14, 2010 10:30 AM

the flip out lcd is nice, and that is one heck of a zoom lens.

be interesting to see how this compares to the fz40 and hs10.

Mark1616 Sep 14, 2010 11:23 AM

This is going to be a highly debated camera I'm sure. That lens is killer. The sample photo shows some noise even at ISO 80 (to be expected on that size sensor with all those pixels) but still I wouldn't mind having a play with one.

Hards80 Sep 14, 2010 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark1616 (Post 1141376)
...but still I wouldn't mind having a play with one.

uh oh!:p

Hards80 Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM

is it me or does it look like they used the rebel xs frame for this thing

Mark1616 Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hards80 (Post 1141378)
uh oh!:p

LOL, married man now don't forget, so nope, I won't be getting one, the next thing on my list are wireless flash triggers which I think I will be able to justify LOL.

Mark1616 Sep 14, 2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hards80 (Post 1141379)
is it me or does it look like they used the rebel xs frame for this thing

Hard to tell from the photos, but certainly it is different to the SX1/10/20 bodies.

rockdhero Sep 14, 2010 11:37 AM

Anybody can tell me regarding BURST MODE feature is there or not ?

Mark1616 Sep 14, 2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockdhero (Post 1141388)
Anybody can tell me regarding BURST MODE feature is there or not ?

Yep a quick google found this http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...ershot_sx30_is all the specs are in the tabs.

Continuous Shooting
Normal: Approx. 1.3 shots/sec. (when shooting in P mode), Approx. 3.6 shots/sec. (when shooting in Low Light mode)
AF: Approx. 0.6 shots/sec. (when shooting in P mode), Approx. 1.0 shots/sec. (when shooting in Low Light mode)
LV: Approx. 0.6 shots/sec. (when shooting in P mode), Approx. 1.1 shots/sec. (when shooting in Low Light mode)
- Under conditions where the flash does not fire automatically.
- Differs depending on the zoom position.

shoturtle Sep 14, 2010 12:09 PM

That is one heck of a zoom lens. Think I will need to visit the camera shops when this thing comes out.

jWest Sep 14, 2010 5:35 PM

I figured they'd release the SX30 shortly before photokina this year. It looks like Canon has HS10 users drooling, with 35x zoom vs HS10's 30x zoom, and ETTL II hotshoe vs. Manual hotshoe. I can't wait for this to hit my local walmart, so I can play with that lens! :D I was planning to get one of these when it came out, but I've since decided that my next camera should be a DSLR.

I wonder how the SX30 compares to the HS10 in image quality...

jcotton55 Sep 14, 2010 7:07 PM

Been waiting for the SX30, now I may buy a Sx20.

From what I've read same sensor as sx20, changed batteries (bad idea IMNSHO),
more zoom (don't need), same HD movie mode (bummer), not what I expected
and I will never buy one.

James

peripatetic Sep 15, 2010 3:37 AM

Thing I don't understand is what exactly people are taking photos of that they need a 35x zoom.

For sports and wildlife you use DSLR right?

For just about everything else can't you just walk a bit closer?

jWest Sep 15, 2010 10:51 AM

Canon just added the SX30 IS to their site, complete with sample photo. I have to say, the color representation is very good, and it looks like it will make good 4x6 prints. However, get in closer, and it can't possibly be construed as sharp, and chromatic aberration and luminance noise abounds. I don't mind luminance noise half so much as chroma noise, but it still adds to the overall fuzzyness, and detracts from all-in-all quality.

It does have some fascinating new features though - what particularly caught my attention is Zoom Framing Assist. Hold the button, and it zooms out far enough to actually locate your target, lock in, and then release the button and it zooms back in. Having tried to locate targets with 25x binoculars, I see this feature being particularly useful.

Another thing I noticed is that they added Servo AF - this will definitely attract parents of young kids, and may tip the balance towards the SX30 often.

All in all, I think Canon has caught up in the superzoom market, and I'd take the SX30 IS over the Fuji HS10 or Panasonic Z40 any day.

idenny Sep 15, 2010 12:46 PM

Holy crap this is MADNESS! 35x zoom!? you cannot be serious!!! I LOve IT!

Mark1616 Sep 15, 2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peripatetic (Post 1141653)
Thing I don't understand is what exactly people are taking photos of that they need a 35x zoom.

For sports and wildlife you use DSLR right?

For just about everything else can't you just walk a bit closer?

LOL, that's the logical, photographic quality answer, but man, you know I love gadgets and convenience when the best quality isn't needed but a small package is then this should be fun.

Have you noticed that pretty much the MP race has slowed down, now it is the M-Zoom race?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jWest (Post 1141770)
Canon just added the SX30 IS to their site, complete with sample photo. I have to say, the color representation is very good, and it looks like it will make good 4x6 prints. However, get in closer, and it can't possibly be construed as sharp, and chromatic aberration and luminance noise abounds. I don't mind luminance noise half so much as chroma noise, but it still adds to the overall fuzzyness, and detracts from all-in-all quality.

It does have some fascinating new features though - what particularly caught my attention is Zoom Framing Assist. Hold the button, and it zooms out far enough to actually locate your target, lock in, and then release the button and it zooms back in. Having tried to locate targets with 25x binoculars, I see this feature being particularly useful.

Another thing I noticed is that they added Servo AF - this will definitely attract parents of young kids, and may tip the balance towards the SX30 often.

All in all, I think Canon has caught up in the superzoom market, and I'd take the SX30 IS over the Fuji HS10 or Panasonic Z40 any day.

I wouldn't get too excited until we see the real results, sure the specs look good but I wouldn't discount the competition at all.

JohnG Sep 15, 2010 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark1616 (Post 1141820)
Have you noticed that pretty much the MP race has slowed down, now it is the M-Zoom race?

Precisely! It's all marketing. You need a simple metric the general consumer can lock onto to judge how good the camera is. It has nothing to do with how good it actually is - it's all about the perception.

As to Peripatetic's other question about sports - unfortunately no, quite a few people do NOT want to buy DSLRs to shoot sports. Two of the women I work with have daughters that are competitive swimmers. They both love to take photos of them but don't want the cost/bulk associated with DSLRs. They want superzooms and the more zoom the better. The common mom & dad is not a photographer but they want to take pictures - from the stands preferably. They want to sit in the stands and be able to shoot their kid anywhere on the field/pool/floor whatever. To them it's about being able to take a picture as conveniently as possible and within their budget. Spending $3000 on a DSLR and lens really isn't in their budget plans. And, remember, it's all about convenience - who wants to stand down on the deck/floor/field - it's much more comfortable in the stands :D

idenny Sep 15, 2010 3:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak04O3FHJYI

rockdhero Sep 16, 2010 3:52 AM

I think i now made idiotic title with "woooow", nothing like that other than long zoom.

Mark1616 Sep 16, 2010 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockdhero (Post 1142091)
I think i now made idiotic title with "woooow", nothing like that other than long zoom.

LOL, it's an exciting looking feature, but quality will be the key thing, when we really get to see how it works then the woooow might really have been worth it ;)

peripatetic Sep 16, 2010 4:55 AM

Having watched the video..

That sure is some amazing zoom! Even if it's completely pointless from a photographic point of view, it cannot be denied that it is very cool.

I am almost tempted to buy one. Not particularly for still photographs, but rather for the HD video combined with the amazingly long lens.

My personal view is that wildlife is best captured with video (if your interest is in the wildlife) and an equivalent semi-pro video camera with a lens that long is probably at least 10x the cost of this little device.

As an added bonus it can take high resolution still pictures in good light!

Mark1616 Sep 16, 2010 7:41 AM

That's the main reason I bought the SX1, OK so it has the shorter lens, but it can do a 2x crop in video and still retain HD quality by using the middle pixels, that gives me a lot of range when shooting video. Looking at this old video I shot, this is utilising the 2x digital tele converter (the video quality wasn't great that I uploaded but it gives you and idea), http://vimeo.com/2785226 the bird at 1.47 was shot from the path in the location of the clip just before, so quite a way up. Also the birds in the clip at 2.16 were taken using it, again the clip before shows the location and the max zoom prior to using the digital TC. Long lenses are great as you say for all this stuff, just use a good tripod and you are fine.

What I like about the SX30 over the SX1 is the sensor (CCD over CMOS), so the jerking that I have should be gone.

peripatetic Sep 16, 2010 8:16 AM

Very impressive footage Mark. And the good thing is that if I sold my 70-300 DO I could most likely pay for the SX30 and have some change left!

Given that the only times I have used the DO in the last 3 years were on safari, it sure makes me wonder....

Mark1616 Sep 16, 2010 9:17 AM

Hehe, you know you want to ;)

I just like a long zoom camera with me, just wish I didn't have jelly wobble (not my big tummy but the CMOS), I can't justify a change, but if I could I would look at the SX30. I don't think they are doing the digital TC though, it seems to have only been an SX1 thing, that would be killer on that lens for sure!!!

MartinSykes Sep 16, 2010 11:01 AM

I think lack of RAW is a killer though. Pushing that small sensor to such extremes and then limiting the potential of cleaning the image up in PP is terrible.

jWest Sep 16, 2010 11:40 AM

Actually, CHDK allows RAW on the SX series. That said, they only recently released support for the SX20IS, so it will be a while before we see RAW support on the SX30IS.

lucky2505 Sep 20, 2010 3:22 AM

Can't imagine Canon will release a superzoom....
 
...as flawed as the HS10, but I expected more from the FZ100 and have been disappointed with what I've seen of it so maybe the SX30 will be a bit weak kneed, also. That could be a good thing though. If there is enough dissatisfaction with the new superzoom models, maybe the digicam companies will move some of the budget from marketing to engineering.

VS007 Sep 22, 2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark1616 (Post 1142150)
What I like about the SX30 over the SX1 is the sensor (CCD over CMOS), so the jerking that I have should be gone.

Hi! I am a new member graduating from point and shoot to little advanced primarily looking for ease of use and bokeh effects. I had looked at SX20is closely as well as Panasonic FZ35, and even though every other review said FZ35 has better picture quality esp in low light, I found it little too manual and lighter. I liked the solid feel of SX20is in hand.
Also read reviews that CMOS sensor and higher MP degrades the picture quality like the Panasonic FZ100. I would be happy if SX30is has same picture quality as that of SX20is with improved low light picture quality for indoor shooting.

Based upon this, would you suggest I buy the SX20is or go for SX30is for its low light picture quality?

Jyaku Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM

When I saw this camera.. considering I was a hardcore Canon user.. I thought of immediately returning my FZ35 but as I look closer there is 1 major flaw in this camera. It doesn't shoot RAW. :(

I've made so many mistakes with my shots recently that if it shot raw and had good image quality, I would jump ship back to Canon immediately. But thankfully Canon totally gets it that AA batteries are a bad idea and lithium ion ones are the way to go.

VS honestly I can't vouch for the SX30 IS since no one's seen the images yet. But against the SX20, I really tried to like that camera and wanted to stay with Canon but I bought a FZ35 for low light pictures. Here's my reasoning in this post: http://forums.steves-digicams.com/1144087-post7.html and I've been happy with it. But you do end up compromising with an 18x zoom which honestly is fine and I really don't like a camera with AA batteries. I've owned a fuji which gave me nothing but nightmares of running out of charge and having to either carry a lot of spares around or not having any. I prefer a lithium ion with a nice long charge.

However I stipulate I'm not you, my likes and dislikes may not be yours.

jWest Sep 23, 2010 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jyaku (Post 1145719)
VS honestly I can't vouch for the SX30 IS since no one's seen the images yet.

Canon has had a sample photo up for a week or two now.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...s#SampleImages

Of course, 1 photo isn't enough to tell us how the camera holds up under various conditions, but it does give us a clue about general image quality.

Andrew Waters Sep 23, 2010 8:15 PM

Peripatetic wrote:

Thing I don't understand is what exactly people are taking photos of that they need a 35x zoom. For sports and wildlife you use DSLR right?

For just about everything else can't you just walk a bit closer.


Well I can imagine the Nascar attendees in the U.S. will get a huge benefit while sitting in the stands in the inexpensive seats. And how about those who photograph planes at airshows while the planes are performing. That lens will definitely be a plus.

I still haven't purchased a digital Dslr as of yet but I'm leaning heavily towards the Canon 60D with the Tamron 28-270 (15x). I Don't know if that lens will be a mistake but for $600 it should amount to something right. Comment please on that lens.

peripatetic Sep 24, 2010 3:36 AM

Fair enough. I mean who the heck am I to say what people should be happy taking photos of.

So yes of course, any kind of spectator event where you simply cannot get close and want some snaps. But without the right access you have to maintain very low expectations and standards.

I'd put airshows in the same category as Sports/Wildlife - use a DSLR if you can, and adjust your expectations downward if you can't. But still the 840mm equivalent and IS and USM should be pretty useful there.

The only thing that the Tamron does right is have a big zoom range. You have to understand that the bigger the zoom range, the worse the image quality of the lens. I would actually probably rather use the SX30 than a 60D with 18-270. I think you'd often get better pictures from the P&S.

SLR cameras have interchangeable lenses. Why buy the Tamron 18-270 when for less money you can get a two lens kit 18-55 IS + 55-250 IS which gives hugely better image quality? The only reason is if for some reason you really really need to be able to cover that full range and don't have time to switch lenses.

Andrew Waters Sep 24, 2010 9:05 PM

Peripatetic says,
''I would actually probably rather use the SX30 than a 60D with 18-270. I think you'd often get better pictures from the P&S.''

That's interesting.

''Why buy the Tamron 18-270 when for less money you can get a two lens kit 18-55 IS + 55-250 IS which gives hugely better image quality?''

I just now did some checking on those two lenses you mentioned and other than some issues with the manual focus ring on the 18-55is the lens is recommended. It seems you're right on the optical quality.

Now, as you are aware the 60D comes with a 18-135is. My shooting requirements actually fit the bill you gave in spite of my Nascar and airshow comments. But what about the kit lens with the 60D? Would you forego the other two and keep the 18-135is?

I haven't had the time to check what the price will be for the two lenses mentioned. I believe the 60D is $1400 U.S. with the kit lens.

peripatetic Sep 25, 2010 7:34 AM

The 18-135 is fairly nasty. I would avoid it if you can.

Andrew Waters Sep 25, 2010 7:00 PM

Thanks for the headsup Peripatetic.

Mysterious Sep 25, 2010 10:13 PM

DSLRs are too price prohibitive for your average user wanting to do wildlife photography....... $500 vs $1200 + superzoom @ another $600-1000? If u r big into photography then sure DSLR all the way........ but most people can't justify an extra $1000+ for a few photos

peripatetic Sep 26, 2010 4:41 AM

Well that's fine of course, but they need to have realistic expectations about what is possible with a P&S camera.

Wildlife photography is much easier with expensive gear, and serious wildlife photographers often spend $10,000 on a single lens.

But even with the most expensive equipment there is no guarantee that your pictures will be any good.

jogiba Sep 30, 2010 6:42 PM

If Pentax does not drop the price of the new K-5 down to $1,199 when it comes out like the new Nikon D7000 I will get this to play around with. I like the CCD to use on my Kawasaki ZX-11 since my CMOS K-7 shows the jello effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cI2cj-CtC8

Here is someone else testing CCD vs CMOS on another ZX-11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaDrS-yzIE

Update: I ordered the SX30 and I should have it next week.

SX30 IS @ full 35x zoom (840mm ,35mm eqiv):

Andrew Waters Oct 1, 2010 8:44 PM

Another website is putting the SX30is and the Panasonic FZ100 and on occasion the HS10 in a side by side photo and crop comparison and the Canon is leading the pack in detail so far. I think a lot of people are surprised thus far considering the massive zoom on the SX30.

But I sure do like that 60D Peripatetic. That rascal sure fit my hands right nice like. :cool2:

sairanjank Oct 5, 2010 9:45 AM

Anyone got it ?


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