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Old Nov 11, 2003, 10:22 PM   #21
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Here is a picture I took just yesterday. Everything is set as it came from the factory. Settings are listed below.

Image is a direct export of the original .jpg out of the camera (it's pretty big)

http://www.azuho.com/graphics/board/100_0011.JPG

File Name
100_0011.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL
Shooting Date/Time
11/10/2003 2:22:02 AM
Shooting Mode
Portrait
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/160
Av( Aperture Value )
4.5
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
100
Lens
18.0 - 55.0mm
Focal Length
34.0mm
Image Size
2048x1360
Image Quality
Fine
Flash
Off
White Balance
Auto
Parameters
Contrast +1
Sharpness +1
Color saturation +1
Color tone Normal
Color Space
sRGB
File Size
940KB
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Old Nov 11, 2003, 10:24 PM   #22
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PS - If you could put up the original picture others could look at the EXIF (?) data and maybe spot something.
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Old Nov 11, 2003, 10:52 PM   #23
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PS - If you could put up the original picture others could look at the EXIF (?) data and maybe spot something.
That is an original right out of the camera, the only thing I touched was the name...thats it. I shot this one in .jpg but I know if I took it in RAW it would still have noise.
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Old Nov 11, 2003, 11:31 PM   #24
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The EXIF info shows ISO of 400. Are you sure you had it set for 100?
It also shows sharpening, contrast and saturation at "high".

BTW, I don't see the noise you're talking about. It looks fine on my Hitachi Superscan 19". The picture looks just fine to me. Could it be your monitor or vid card?

Here is the EXIF on your shot:


Make - Canon
Model - Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL
Orientation - 1 (top left)
XResolution - 180
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - 2 (inch)
DateTime - 2003:11:08 00:21:03
YCbCrPositioning - 1 (center of pixel array)
ExifOffset - 196
ExposureTime - 1/60 seconds
FNumber - 4.5000
ISOSpeedRatings - 400
ExifVersion - 220
DateTimeOriginal - 2003:11:08 00:21:03
DateTimeDigitized - 2003:11:08 00:21:03
ComponentsConfiguration - 1 2 3 (YCbCr)
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 3 (average)
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/60 seconds
ApertureValue - F 4.50
ExposureBiasValue - 0.0000
MaxApertureValue - F 4.50
MeteringMode - 5 (multi-segment)
Flash - 25
FocalLength - 31 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 100
ColorSpace - 1 (sRGB)
ExifImageWidth - 3072
ExifImageHeight - 2048
InteroperabilityOffset - 2366
FocalPlaneXResolution - 3443.9462
FocalPlaneYResolution - 3442.0168
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - 2
SensingMethod - 2 (other)
FileSource - 3 (digital still camera)

Maker Note (Vendor): -
Macro mode - Off
Self timer - Off
Quality - Fine
Flash mode - Auto
Sequence mode - Single or Timer
Focus mode - AI Focus
Image size - Large
Easy shooting mode - Full Auto
Digital zoom - None
Contrast - High
Saturation - High
Sharpness - High
Metering mode - Evaluative
Focus type - Auto
AF point selected -
Exposure mode - Easy shooting
White Balance - Auto
Image Type - IMG:EOS DIGITAL REBEL JPEG
Firmware Version - Firmware Version 1.1.1
Camera Serial Number - xxxxxxxx
Image Number - 1070708
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Old Nov 12, 2003, 5:19 AM   #25
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The EXIF info shows ISO of 400. Are you sure you had it set for 100?
It also shows sharpening, contrast and saturation at "high".

BTW, I don't see the noise you're talking about. It looks fine on my Hitachi Superscan 19". The picture looks just fine to me. Could it be your monitor or vid card?
Not a hint of grain here either on the last picture. I would guess video card or video card drivers. I've seen decent monitors put on servers do the same thing. I guess it can just not display enough colors to make it look smooth. The only problems I'm having with the 300d I got yesterday is I do not know much about manual mode yet. The automatic ones look fine but only a few on the other modes have not looked blurry. I guess I have a lot of reading and playing around to do because I want to capture RAW and the auto modes do not allow this.

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Old Nov 12, 2003, 9:47 AM   #26
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I downloaded all your pictures and they look fine to me. They all seem to be in focus, sharp, and the noise is negligable as far as I can see. Several of the would make nice prints.

I think it's one of two things. Either you are being tremendously picky about noise that will be irrelevant in final, printed images, or your video-monitor display is hosed on the computer you are using to view these pictures.

Case in point: You have posted pictures for the pickiest people in the world to evaluate (us). Everyone but you seems to think your pictures are fine. That in itself is very unusual! Most times it is... well... the opposite.

What kind of video card do you have? What color mode is it in? What resolution is your monitor running?

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Old Nov 12, 2003, 12:49 PM   #27
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I would have a digital print made. Not on a inkjet printer but a place that develops digital prints, (Walgreens, Walmart, Fox photo, Ritz). You will then be able to tell if the photo has the noise that you are concerned about.

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Old Nov 12, 2003, 9:37 PM   #28
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JMS spoted something that took me by surprise. The fact that the cameras output is set on Contrast - High, Sharpness - High, Saturation - High. I dont know why it says this but it may be one of the problems. I know the camera is not set on high for any of thoses paramiters. Does (Auto Mode) change these factors?Another problem is mine I guess, because of Photoshop 7.0. For some reason I look at my pics using this so called (cream da la cream) software and the photos look really bad. Maybe Photoshop isnt all that afterall, or I just have some type of problem with my moniter or something. I dont think my setup is bad, I'm running a Radeon 9800 Pro on a Viewsonic A90f+ moniter, but you never know sometimes people can have driver issues.

I thank you all for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
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Old Nov 12, 2003, 9:46 PM   #29
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I dont think my setup is bad, I'm running a Radeon 9800 Pro on a Viewsonic A90f+ moniter, but you never know sometimes people can have driver issues.

I thank you all for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
That *should* be fine as long as your using the Catalyst drivers from ATI. But I'm not sure why it looks great on my screen (along with others).

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Old Nov 13, 2003, 1:09 PM   #30
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I'm running a Radeon 9800 Pro on a Viewsonic A90f+ moniter, but you never know sometimes people can have driver issues.
That's certainly a quality video card! As long as you are running 16 or 32 bit color and a resolution of 1600x1200 or 1280x960, you should be in good shape.

I don't know what size a A90f+ monitor is, but ViewSonic makes quality monitors, so you're probably in good shape...

Why don't you try downloading someone else's pictures and see how they look on your setup? Several people here on Steve's have posted images directly from camera... download a couple...

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