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Old Jun 28, 2009, 4:53 PM   #11
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I had the same difficulty while deciding which camera and lens to buy. I needed a do-it-all lens, since I didn't want to carry a lot of equipment with me so I ended up with 50D with the ordinary 18-200 IS kit lens. Now I'm very happy with it. My friend has the 5D Mark 2 with 24-70 L 2.8 and 70-200 L 2.8 IS lenses. We compared his and my setups, and we actually did not see an apparent difference in the photographs that we shot when viewed side by side. Of course his equipment would be better in low light situations or when inspected pixel by pixel. But I am sure even after these results I wouldn't regret I have chosen the 50D with 18-200 kit lens (but he regrets that he has to carry all this machinery in a luggage with wheels and extending handles). I could have bought a more expensive setup, however, I didn't want to carry all those stuff with me everywhere, and I didn't want to change the lenses for differing situations. While deciding, I had the following table for the different equipments within my price range, and now I want to share it with you:

EOS 500D with EF-S 18-200 IS : 800 + 600 = USD 1400

EOS 50D with EF-S 18-200 IS kit : USD 1600

EOS 5D with EF 28-105 3.5-4.5 II USM + EF 100-300 4.5-5.6 USM : 2700 + 220 + 300 = USD 3220 (This combination is without IS)

EOS 5D with EF 28-135 3.5-5.6 IS USM + EF 70-300 4-5.6 IS USM : 2700 + 400 + 550 = USD 3650 (with IS)

EOS 5D with 24-70 L 2.8 USM + EF 70-200 L 2.8 IS USM : 2700 + 1200 +1700 = USD 5600 (L type lenses and 2.8 aperture)

EOS 5D with EF 28-300 L 3.5-5.6 IS USM : 2700 + 2400 = USD 5100 (my dream combination)


Of course price is not the only factor. You have to decide what you want to do with your camera. After reading all those reviews of 50D and 18-200 IS lens which concluded "less than ideal" results, I was about to change my mind and go for the big boys, but now I am happy with my setup, especially after comparing it with my friend's fancy 5D setup...

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Old Jun 28, 2009, 5:26 PM   #12
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I had the same difficulty while deciding which camera and lens to buy. I needed a do-it-all lens, since I didn't want to carry a lot of equipment with me so I ended up with 50D with the ordinary 18-200 IS kit lens. Now I'm very happy with it. My friend has the 5D Mark 2 with 24-70 L 2.8 and 70-200 L 2.8 IS lenses. We compared his and my setups, and we actually did not see an apparent difference in the photographs that we shot when viewed side by side. Of course his equipment would be better in low light situations or when inspected pixel by pixel.
If you are talking landscape, general wide angle, wide depth of field shots then in well lit situations then yes this is probably correct without being viewed at large sizes. The 5D with the fast lenses will make a huge difference for creative shooting where you want shallow depth of field which can't be achieved in the same way with an APS-C sensor camera. I only mention this in case someone is reading this and not in the know depending on shooting needs.

Anyway going back to the topic. Using the 100-400 as a walk around will be fine if you want a very long wide angle being the equivalent of 160mm in 35mm terms.

As John says the 100-400 is not a lens that is going to work indoors for sports. If you are going to really want to shoot in these conditions then with this combo you are going to be wasting a lot of money as the results are not going very good at all. I'm guessing you might be looking at somewhere between 1/80s-1/160s at ISO 3200 or even 6400 based on some of the indoor sports situations I've found myself in. So not only are you looking at slow shutter speeds, you also have limited range unless you are on the sidelines.
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 6:22 PM   #13
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Hey Mark I guess I left things a little too open ended and not enough info. I am not looking for a single do all lens, what I was considering was The 50D with the 17-85 IS and the 100-400L IS as a package. What I was meaning by a walkabout lens was whether the 100-400 was a) too cumbersome b) too heavy and or c) too long to shoot handheld (in good light situations)even with the IS. If it isn't suitable for every day use then I will get the 70-200 is for a walk about lens and get a longer lens later.
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 3:08 AM   #14
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That makes a lot more sense.

I've shot hand held with the 100-400 quite a bit (I borrowed one off of a friend while my 70-200 f2.8 was in for repair), it it was fine. I personally prefer the rotation type zoom of most lenses however the push pull zoom works fine once you are used to it.
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Thank you Mark, that is just the info I needed. I don't think I will miss the 15mm of coverage between these two lenses as much as I would have missed 100mm from the top end of the zoom.
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Does anyone know how the autofocus systems of the two cameras match up? They both use the 9-point AF system, but is the 50D's significantly better?
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Old Jul 12, 2009, 4:12 PM   #17
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Not 100% sure but my T1i doesn't seem to be as fast as my old 30D however it still has performed OK (the limited amount I've used it).
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