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Old Oct 19, 2009, 11:39 AM   #1
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I've come to a huge dilema, I have a budget of 1600

I take a lot of Motocross photography,

I can get a Canon EOS 7D and 50-300 is Canon Lens 4-5.6 for that

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Canon EOS 50D and Canon L f2.8 (non is) lens same price.

please please give me some advice what camera even if its none of the above and best lens for a budget of 1600

Really appreciate your help.
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Old Oct 19, 2009, 11:43 AM   #2
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for sports/fast action. easy choice.

get the 50d with the 70-200 2.8L. its faster and faster focusing. being able to get down to 2.8 will let you get the fast shutter speeds you need to stop the motorcycle action.
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But isn't the 7D supposed to be all singing all dancing for sports photography, only thing is i'd have to buy the 4.5.6 IS lens, which i believe is still fast but not as good as a 2.8 couldn't afford the 2.8 if i get 7D
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Did you mean the Canon 70-300, is it the IS USM lens?

Which L f2.8 are you referring to?

I would be tempted to look at diversity so possibly going with the 50D and the 70-300mm IS USM and also a wide lens option and flash. Motocross shooters will often use flash to give the shots some pop.
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for sports/fast action. easy choice.

get the 50d with the 70-200 2.8L. its faster and faster focusing. being able to get down to 2.8 will let you get the fast shutter speeds you need to stop the motorcycle action.
I would disagree with motorsport over most other sports where f2.8 is key as you are generally not wanting the fastest speeds so you have some motion blur in at least the wheels.

Having faster AF is always helpful too and you can add a 1.4x TC with the 70-200mm f2.8 to get some of the range back.
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I think the focus speed is going to be the real key difference between the 70-200 2.8 and either the 70-300 or 55-250 (whichever the OP was referencing). BUT, there is another solution - if the OP was indeed talking about the 70-300 lens then the 70-200 f4 (non IS) is usually just a slight bit more expensive. Still better focusing than the 70-300 and that would allow the 7d purchase. And quite honestly working in a challenging environment I wouldn't want to be working with plastic lenses so I think the build quality is a real factor in lens choice as well.

So my vote would likely be for 7d plus 70-200 f4
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i'm so glad you answered this post Mark as you replied to one i posted Aug 2008 refering to the Canon EF 70-300 f4-5.6 IS USM Lens saying it was a superb lens.

My ideal photo would be the bike and rider very sharp and the background blur, i need a fast lens and camera as when the bikes come over the jumps i need to focus very quickly as they suddenly pop up from out of nowhere.


i'm only a novice but have a tendency to go into things all or nothing, i have learnt a few things over the years but have never had the equipment to improve.


this budget has taken a very long time to get so really want to get the best and most out of it, A friend lent me a Nikon D70s which i found very confusing hence the urge to stick with canon.


If you can give me the best configuration of camera and lens for 1600 i would really appreciate your knowledge.


I only need a 70-300 or straight 200 , i wouldn't use anything else ie wide angle etc etc

the biggest factor in my old lens was dust getting in from the track.
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JohnG this is really the kind of advice i need , you guys are extremely helpful, never even thought about the 70-200 f4 non is. for the extra 500 having (is) would it make that much of a difference, i never had it before.

hope i don't get in trouble but my photo's can be seen at my website www.4thGearPinned.com if that helps on your choice.
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for the extra 500 having (is) would it make that much of a difference, i never had it before.
In this specific instance that's not an easy question to answer. First, with regards to 70-200 f4, the IS version is actually sharper than the non-IS version. It's the sharpest of the 4 70-200 lenses Canon makes. So that makes the decision a little bit trickier.

And that cost puts it in line with the 70-200 2.8. For a lot of sports, having f2.8 is more beneficial than having IS. But as Mark mentioned, a lot of motorcross folks use flash.

But, in reality - isn't this moot? You indicated in your first post you couldn't afford the 7d AND a 70-200 2.8 lens. The 70-200 f4 IS sells for around the same price as the 2.8 non-IS. IMO, you're better off using extra money on flash.

One other suggestion I'll make since I don't shoot motorcross - there are several shooters over at www.dgrin.com that do. If you go into the sports forum over there and search around you'll find posts by some who shoot it. I'd suggest checking with them. I shoot enough sports to know that each sport has it's own issues/problems. So it's always best to get advice from someone who shoots the exact sport you do.
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well you could keep the 18-50 2.8, which you could use to shoot some pre-show stuff. ppl with their bikes etc.

sell the d70 to get a nikon d90 and whatever 70-200/300 2.8/4.0 nikon offers (i shoot canon, some nikonian help me out here)
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