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Old Jan 27, 2010, 3:22 PM   #1
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Default What kind of camera is the EOS 50D?

My Panasonic Lumix G1 is very dear to me and I am perfectly satisfied with it in many ways. But, when I think of which way I want to go in the future, photograpically, I feel that I should start getting to know the alternatives in the competition. Any such change is not really imminent, I do have a 6-8 months span to look at (and to save up some $...).


My nearest and probably the best alternative today is the Nikon D90. But looking at the Canon "stable" of cameras in the same league, I constantly come across either the 500D / T1i or the next step up, the 50D. The 500D / T1i is too 'small' or too close to entry-level IMO, so it looks as if the 50D should be in the right bracket for me. But is ist the right camera for me? I don't know anything about it. One does not hear or read much about the 50D, so its difficult to guess. Is it a camera for specialists? Professionals only?

I'v read some reviews, but they never tell you the particulars that you are interested in. For example. I am deep into HDR-photography, mainly landscape and some night-photography. And for HDR I need a decent Auto-Bracket-function in my future camera.

It doesn't say anywhere in the specifications how many Auto-Bracket shots are available with the 50D!!

In Steve's 50D-review it says:

"Exposure Compensation: = Manual: 3 stops in 1/3- or 1/2-stop increments (can be combined with AEB)" - but nothing about AEB at all. Its not mentioned anywhere.


In the description of the Custom Functions Menu, C. Fn1 it says:

- 4:Bracketing auto cancel - 0 (On), 1 (Off)
- 5:Bracketing sequence - 0 (- 0, -, +), 1 (- -, 0, +)

So, it tells you how to switch Bracketing off and on and how to change sequences but not how many bracket-shots there are available.

Is it 3 or 5 or 7 shots?? (like the settings I have in my G1)


Also, how does one switch from single exposure to Auto Exposure Bracket? I didn't see any dedicated button or switch front, top or on the backside of the camera. So, do I have to enter deep into the camera's menu, every time I want to do AEB-shots (which is quite often - well, most of the time, really)?

- How does one change Exposure Compensation on this camera? With a dedicated switch / button? Exposure-Brackets and Exposure Compensation are the two most common switches I need, besides the WhiteBalance, but for that I found a dedicated button.

Oh, and I forgot to tell you why I will need a replacement in the future. I would have stayed with Panasonic (as my G1 is just the perfect tool for me and my style of photography!!) But, there are no decent wideangle-lenses (zoom preferably) to be had for my G1. Not any that I can afford anyway.

What I would need is an equivalent of the Tokina 11-16mm (ohh, how I love that lens!) - or perhaps the Tokina 12-24mm (which I don't know...), or maybe the Sigma 10-20mm. (924 $)

Of course there is the Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm Lens, but it costs about 2.400 $ here in Norway, while the Tokina 11-16 is about 1.100 $ - And that is less then the price of the Panny-lens!

And I tell you another secret too. The only two alternative future camera-systems for me, will be either Nikon (hopefully) or Canon - because the lens I want - Tokina 11-16mm is only available with these two mounts!!!

Any good answers out there, about the 50D......?




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Old Jan 27, 2010, 3:43 PM   #2
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Well the 60D will be announce next month form the rumors. So the 50D will be discounted soon. It is a very good camera, I took it out for a test before deciding on my 500D. It is really a very good camera, with excellent imagine. If the rumors are true, it would be worth getting at a big discount.
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well, i should be able to answer any questions you have about the 50d, since that is the camera i currently own and shoot.

as for what the camera is, it is a semi-pro/advanced amateur model. since you seem to be more familiar with nikon, it occupies a feature and price bracket between the D90 and the D300. i am very happy with the ergonomics and build quality of this camera. it is a great deal larger than the t1i and offers a magnesium alloy body and a much more substantial grip. something that is very useful for me as i have rather large hands, its all a bit larger and more robust than the nikon d90, but a bit less than the d300. it also has some nice features like micro-fine adjustment to the autofocus, etc.

the camera does have aeb. but is limited to 3 shot brackets of up to -2/+2. however, they tied in the exposure compensation to it. so the limitation of the 3 shots is pretty negligeable. what i can do is set it to shoot aeb +/-2. the first series i dial the exposure comp down to -2. fire off my 3 shots which gives me a -4/-2/0, then without moving from my eye (there is a dedicated dial), or tripod i set the exp comp to -1, giving me a -3,-1, 1. then i pop the exposure comp up to +1 giving me a -1,1,3, then finally up to +2, giving me a 0, +2, +4. now i have a 9 shot bracket from -4 to 4, and i can do that in like 8-10 seconds without ever leaving my eye. (just delete the ones that are repeats)

normally you would not need this much coverage, but its there and its quick and easy.

i also own the tokina 12-24 f4. which i really cannot say enough great things about. it is sharp, handles distortion well, and is built like a tank. it is a tremendous value, especially now that the price has come down. the 11-16 is even better yet. i really think the tokina's are the way to go with ultrawides. though canon's 10-22 is good too.
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Good Questions Walter, Good advice Hards80. I'm really interested in the comments and further advice to come from other members of the forum.
I own the Canon T1i and have been having a blast with it. I'm just a rookie when it comes to DSLR cameras but I am learning fast. It should be noted with AEB and the T1i that, yes you are limited to 3 shots in 1/3 increments possible and it defaults at maximum to -2 / 0 / +2 but the entire bracket can be shifted down to -4 / -2 / 0 or shifted up 0 /+2 / +4 (or 1/3 increments between) So this would give you 6 bracketed shots from -4 to +4 with a duplicate neutral shot. The AEB is really flexible.

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...If the rumors are true, it would be worth getting at a big discount.

Thanks for the comments, shoturtle - I'll have to watch that price of the OES 50D then...
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Old Jan 28, 2010, 5:34 AM   #6
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...the camera does have aeb. but is limited to 3 shot brackets of up to -2/+2. however, they tied in the exposure compensation to it.
Thank you very much, Hards80 - for your long comment about the 50D. So it only has 3 brackets to fire off at once, then.
I was hoping that there would be more to it, maybe have a choice of lets say 3 / 5 / 7 shots with different increments of your choice.

I am aware of the possibility to tie in the EC and get additional series of bracket-shots this way, but I really like to fire off lets say, 5 rapid shots alltogether with minimum time in between. This because of the chance of moving items in the picture producing ghosting-artifacts.
The best exaple these days is the chuncks of ice along the coast, moving slowly in the swell. With 5 rapid shots, there is only small and negligibel movement, but if you have to fiddle with EC-settings in between shots, these chuncks have driftet a few inches.

BTW, the D90 has exactly the same setup with only 3 AEB and extensive EC tied in, as the 50D has, but on the D90 you need two hands to change the EC in between shooting-series, and thats a big drawback - to me it is anyway! Technically you should be able to do this with the right hand, alone - but pushing down a button (index-finger) while adjusting a thumb-wheel at the same time is not as easy as it sounds!

It seems then that the Nikon D300 and D300s would be a better option for my type of shooting. The K-7 has a very good range as well, but you can't get a Tokina-lens with K-mount....!


One more question about the50D:

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Also, how does one switch from single exposure to Auto Exposure Bracket? I didn't see any dedicated button or switch front, top or on the backside of the camera. So, do I have to enter deep into the camera's menu, every time I want to do AEB-shots (which is quite often - well, most of the time, really)?
What I mean is - how complicated or easy (fast and reliable in the dark, on a tripod and with cold fingers...) is ist to switch AEB on and off?


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...but the entire bracket can be shifted down to -4 / -2 / 0 or shifted up 0 /+2 / +4 (or 1/3 increments between) So this would give you 6 bracketed shots from -4 to +4 with a duplicate neutral shot. The AEB is really flexible...


Thank you, scottie for taking part and enlighten me with details also from the T1i / 500D.

As I already have answered Hards80 in posting # 6 - I really prefer to shoot off the number of brackets I need - uniterrupted, because of ghosting-artifacts ruining a lot of HDR's.

Also, fiddeling around with the camera's settings in between bracket-shots to change EC-values, increases the danger of camera-shake, with blurred pictures as a result.

I guess HDR being such a novelty, and its need for good and extensive AutoBracket-shooting, has not yet been aknowledged seriousely enough by developing-ingeneers at Canon yet.
Nikon D300(s), and also the Pentax K-7, have extensive combinations of settings for all kinds of shot-numbers and increments in between.

Good luck!

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One more question about the50D:



What I mean is - how complicated or easy (fast and reliable in the dark, on a tripod and with cold fingers...) is ist to switch AEB on and off?


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Oh sorry Walter, I missed that part last night as I was typing up the rest.

yes, you can assign it 2 ways. i have AEB assigned to a single button press. you can also set it to the main dial too, so when you click over to C1 it will automatically be in AEB and set up. either is equally fast depending on what works best for you in particular, i like the button personally.
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Walter,

I moved from the XSi to the 50D. I did strongly consider the T1i which felt very similar in holding as the XSi and I would have loved to get video with the T1i. I ultimately picked the 50D over the T1i for faster fps, larger body, and what seemed like more accessibility to controls. Also, the 50D was a proven entity at the time I was looking to upgrade and the T1i was still brand new.

However, now I am telling my sister the T1i would be a nice one for her to move from a P&S to her first DSLR with higher ISO and video - without the extra cost of the 50D.

For me shooting my kids sports was the main goal so the 50D made good sense to me, though I now long for the 7D, Oh where does it end???

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...i have AEB assigned to a single button press. you can also set it to the main dial...


Thanks again Hards80 - That cleared it. It sounds satisfactory - a dedicated (assigned in *your menue* or something like that, I suppose...) button for AEB-shots is what I want on my future camera.

How do you activate the shutter for the 3 AEB's?

- On my own camera (G1), I just keep the shutter pressed down until all shots (3 or 5 or 7) are fired consecutive (for visual control: a blincking icon on the LCD (or OVF) stops blinking when all shots are made).

- On my son in laws D90 however, he actually has to push the shutter down 3 times to activate the 3-frame bracket (!) which doesn't sound very logic to me. One can combine the selv-timer and AEB, but only after setting the activation to 'Sequential shooting' type Low, which setting is erased once you turn your camera off and move the camera to another position.

Can you, for instance, trigger the AEB's off with the selv-timer?
IMO such a combination of mirror lock-up, selv-timer and AEB would be the best solution to avoid camera-shake when the camera is mounted on a tripod.

And, another important question - Does the EOS 50D have a Bulb shutter-setting?

Many tiering questions, i know - but I want this to be the 'RIGHT' camera next time.
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