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Old Jun 10, 2004, 9:29 PM   #1
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I was... about to buy a Minolta A2. What I really like about the Minolta is that

I don't need multiple lenses. I am going to use the camera in auto mode most

of the time and my objective is to be able to capture girls fastpitch softball games

and print quality photos.



I reread the reviews on the Canon, all glowing. Ok, fine. Suppose I buy the

body and want to buy a lens that will give me as much range as possible so that

I can rely on one primary lens. I would prefer to accentuate telephoto more than

close up. Is there a decent 35-200mm equivalent lens that will work with the Rebel

and not cost more than the camera ?

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 11:45 PM   #2
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Short answer- NO.

Now the long one- Canon makes nothing right now to cover that range on the digital sensor due to the sensor muliple factor. Your best bet would be to buy the kit lens for an extra $100 and something like the 75-300 IS that would get you to 480mm at the long end, or maybe spend a little more on a quality lens like the 70-200 f4L. Neither the 18-55 or the 75-300 are at the top of Canon's optical arsenal, but both will get you as good or better images than the Minolta A2 due to the large sensor and pixels and, oh my goodness, you'll be able to shoot at ratings over ISO 100 without worrying about digital noise- something that's a no-go with the Minolta A2.

The D-Rebel only starts to show noise at ISO 800 and gives you perfectly good image quality at that setting. It's also decent at ISO 1600. If you want a much more versatile outfit capable of shooting under different lighting conditions it's a no brainer your decision to get a DSLR is correct, even if it means using TWO lenses instead of one.

Instead of worrying about getting to 8 megapixels, all these digicam makers should be working towards making the models they have more responsive and faster focusing like we are now only starting to get with digital SLR's. Until they do they can cram 12 megapixels onto those fingernail sized sensors- I'll take my 6 megapixel DSLR or a high quality 35mm slide scan and better responsiveness I get with my EOS 3.
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Old Jun 11, 2004, 12:09 AM   #3
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Greg,

Thank you for the reply ! I have been researching tonight and finding "things".

The Canon 28-200mm EL... is that a suitable/viable lens for the Rebel/300D ?

I am ASSuming that there is no multiplication factor on the EL and no stabilization.

It matches closely to the A2 zoom lens. The question is whether the lens quality

is viable. Have you any experience with this option (or heard of any ?)

Thanks again !


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Old Jun 11, 2004, 1:13 AM   #4
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The D-Rebel only starts to show noise at ISO 800 and gives you perfectly good image quality at that setting.

I'm sorry, Greg, I don't agree with you there. I believe that the noise issue is subjective for sure. I'd just like to interject here that I don't believe that the Rebel, at 400 ISO, is super. I personally think that it's reaching it's limits of acceptability at 400. This is only an opinion, but I thought that I would offer another opinion.


I would personally use 400 if necessary, knowing that I'm going to get something reasonable. But when I hit the 800 level I get nervous.
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Old Jun 11, 2004, 7:15 AM   #5
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my walk around lens is the Canon 28-135 USM IS. The effective range of this lens with the DR is 45mm to 215mm because of the 1.6 multiplier. The cost of the lens is about $400. If I only wanted to have one lens this would be it. However, the one lens concept is conterproductive when using a DSLR (my opinon).
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Old Jun 11, 2004, 9:01 AM   #6
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Normcar,

Everyone has their limits and their own opinions. Compared to the A2 or ISO 400 films the Digital Rebel/10D sensor image at 400 is superior to any ISO film, and ISO 400films today are darn good. Compared to ISO 800 film it is superior, too, and very usable.

I took this shot at ISO 800:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2177458

...and here that same shot is again, but blown up with the central area cropped:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2153686

and another ISO 800 shot:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2153650

All these hockey shots were taken from the upper deck and were subsequently cropped to get to the final image I posted because I was so far awaywith the exception of the one full image I posted to show how far in I cropped. This quality is excellent & does notreally convey how good the actual full size files are as I had to significantly shrink the files in order to post them to that website.

..and this is an ISO 400 portrait:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2392901

And the shot below was takenat ISO 400 and represent a HUGE crop of the original image, not to mention the amount I had to downsize the cropped file in order to post it to the website:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2362164

If theseare not "acceptable" in terms of ISO and image noise, you must be a medium or large format shooter of the old school (or a Sony salesman!). I shoot most of my wedding images at ISO 400. There is very little difference in terms of noise between ISO 100 and 400. Certainly not enough to get nervous at ISO 800.


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Old Jun 11, 2004, 9:22 AM   #7
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Everyone has a limit on "noise" as well, check out my gallery on Pbase: http://www.pbase.com/nhl/portfolio
They were mostly shots with the "King of noise" Minolta D7 . Some people don't need high ISO and the A2 is quite capable in this regard (much better than my D7), sometime portability and convenience for example is of higher importance that a heavy bag full of gears:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...location.shtml

ie. is the noise acceptable? In print noise is perceived as detail and also look much less "plasticky"

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Correct NHL. The G5 I owned was great for those trip type shots too where the light was good and at ISO 50 or 100 all is fine. I have quite a few shots from my last trip to St. Thomas, Aruba and Curacao where I was glad to have taken the G5. I also like to take pictures in lighting conditionsthough where ISO 100 isn't an option and I would hate to be stuck with the G5 as my only option to have to record it. ISO 200 and 400certainly isn't what I would consider "high", but isbeyond what my G5 or the newer 8 megapixel cameras are capable of cleanlyrecording. I'm better off shooting with my EOS 3 and 400 speed film than using my G5 at ISO 400, like here for instance:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2418972


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Thanks for the reply on the 28-135. I was not sure of the multiplier. If it

is 1.6 and this distills it to a 45-215, thats a very decent "walkaround lens".

The 28-200 (45-320) might be overkill.

Any other comments appreciated.
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If you want to see what the 28/135 IS produces, click here.



http://community.webshots.com/user/setiprime2003
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