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Old Nov 28, 2004, 2:11 PM   #1
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Greetings,

I have been watching the Digital SLR arena for a year or so and I think I have narrowed down the items I want. I've been using "prosumer" cameras for several years now and have gotten some pretty good results, some of which can be seen on these forums, but I feel very limited in several areas (indoor, lowlight, action, etc). I am about ready to make the plunge, but figured I'd try to get a bit of input from the knowledgeable people here. I have an opportunity to buy the Canon product below dealer cost, so if price was not an issue, how does the wishlist below sound? Is there anything I need to add? Something that isn't a good idea?
I like to take photos of anything that catches my eye. It might be a landscape, a macro shot, a person across the room, astrophotography, etc... I just want to have a good change of capturing it, whatever it is.

Thanks for all input!

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Canon 20D
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
Canon EF2.0 II Extender
Canon Timer Remote Controller TC-80N3
Canon BG-E2 Battery Grip
Canon BP-511a Extra Batteries
LowePro Camera/Computer Bag
Lexar CompactFlash Firewire Card Reader
Lexar CompactFlash Pro Series 80x WA 2GB
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Old Nov 28, 2004, 10:19 PM   #2
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Remember the 1.6 crop factor, you have nothing in your wish list that is in the "wide" range. With these DSLR, you have to multiply all the lenses by 1.6 to get their effective focal lengths. So the 28-135 actually acts like a 44.8-216, and the 100-400 acts like a 160-640.

The 19-40L hits in the 30.4-64 range to give you something a bit wide..

I just did the upgrade to the 20D last week and your list almost hits dead on to what I ended up getting (sans lenses)


Canon 20D
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Old Nov 29, 2004, 7:47 AM   #3
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With that list of lenses you probably don't need the 2xTC. Not that you can't use it, but the view finder will be very dark and you'll loose AF on the only lens there you can use it on.

The rest of that list is reasonable. Make sure its a USB2 card reader (probably is.) And you don't really need the 80x CF card. Its a good fast card, but not a heck of a lot faster than even a 40x card. The reason is that you are camera limited, not card limited. It just can't write any faster.

If you'll use the card for other things then it makes more sense. Or if you view it as an investment for future cameras as well.

I agree with PeterP. Because you want to do some landscape photos, you need something that is wide angle. The 17-40L is a great lens, but Sigma also has some newer wide angles that I've heard good things about.

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Old Nov 29, 2004, 4:23 PM   #4
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Thanks for the feedback!
Here's the updated list.
I removed the 2.0 Extender and added the EF 17-40mm f/4L USM - I'll look at the Sigmas, but figure if I can get the Canon at a good price, it should retain it's value should I ever wish to part with it.

Any other feedback? please?
Thanks again!

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Canon 20D
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
Canon Timer Remote Controller TC-80N3
Canon BG-E2 Battery Grip
Canon BP-511a Extra Batteries
LowePro Camera/Computer Bag
Lexar CompactFlash Firewire Card Reader
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... but I feel very limited in several areas (indoor, lowlight, action, etc)...
Sooner or later you'll need a faster lens for action indoor with lowlight, beside the 50 f/1.8: IS is not going to cut it when you have to overcome the subject movements (not the camera)!

Unless you use an external flash (which you need to add) your two zooms are at f/5.6 at their long end...
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I would replace the 100-400 with the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM + a teleconverter.

This way you have F2.8 when needed + long reach.
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NHL said exactly what I was going to say. For indoor and low lighting situations, a 2.8 lens will be handy especially if using flash isn't allowed or isn't an option. I believe NHL and others have had good things to say about the Sigma flash, 500DG or something like that.
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Old Dec 1, 2004, 3:57 PM   #8
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Thanks for the input. I'm still not clear on a couple of things though...
Since the vast majority of my shots are hand-held, I really like the idea of IS. IS on the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM is pretty costly. If I understand correctly, if I use it with the 1.4x TC, I lose 1 stop and the 2.0x TC loses 2 stops, so I am back to the f/4.5-5.6 of the 100-400 anyway, right?
Should I just get the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM and a 580EX Speedlite or go with the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM and one or the other TC?

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Old Dec 1, 2004, 9:55 PM   #9
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Flashes are a good thing, but you can't always use them.
On the other hand, there are things you can do with the flash that you can't do with an f2.8 lens. It's a very difficult choice.

You will eventually probably want a flash (maybe not one as powerful as the 580EX) which makes it even harder.

One of the advantages of the 70-200 f2.8 is that when you want something within that range, you get f2.8. You don't get that with the 100-400. And the 70-200 is a much better lens between 100-200 than the 100-400 is (and it has the lower f-stop.) But is the 70-200+2xTC better than the 100-400? I don't know. Probably not, but honestly I don't know. Plus, if you suddently need the longer focal length, you have to stop, get out the TC, put it on... and probably miss the photo.

This is one of those difficult choices. If you really think you'll use the 100-200 range of the lens more, then the 70-200 is a really great lens. But if you think you'll need the longer end more... then the choice becomes more difficult.

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Old Dec 6, 2004, 8:50 PM   #10
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Ok,

I think this is my list at this point thanks to all of your input. I agree that the f/2.8 is likely more important than a flash for the indoor and low-light shots that I will be taking. The 1.4x TC will get me a bit more reach when I need it. Perhaps I can make some money from this to pay for the 100-400L down the road...
Anyone know when the Canon 17-600mm f/2.8L IS USM for under $500 will be out? I'd sure like to know....

Thanks again!

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Canon 20D
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
EF1.4 II Extender
Canon Timer Remote Controller TC-80N3
Canon BG-E2 Battery Grip
Canon BP-511a Extra Batteries
LowePro Camera/Computer Bag
Lexar CompactFlash Firewire Card Reader
Lexar CompactFlash Pro Series 80x WA 2GB
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