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Old Feb 17, 2005, 12:57 PM   #1
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I'm really excited about the new Digital Rebel XT, but does this mean that its no longer worth buying the older bigger version, the 300D?

Just when i finished deciding between the D70 and the 300D, they throw a new one at me! By looking at all the new stats on the XT, it looks like a real winner.....the only thing that the 300D can compete in is the pricing, its droping so fast! Being the most affordable choice, but somewhat lacking in preformace vs. the XT???
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Old Feb 17, 2005, 3:40 PM   #2
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I'm probably just restating your dilemma but what you have to do now is decide between price and features.

On one hand, you were already going to spend the money. You can spend that same amount of money and get a better camera.

On the other hand, you had already decided on the Rebel. If its features are good enough for you, then you can save money.

Personally, I would go for the XT (and I hope to be doing so in the next couple months). I currently have a Sony F717, and was interested in buying a Digital Rebel at one point. After borrowing a friend's, I decided to stick with what I had and wait for another camera. I really like the 20D, but it's pretty expensive. The XT looks like it will deliver the features I want that the Rebel lacks (selectable AF/focus modes, mirror lockup, fast CF card read/write, etc.) at a lower price than the 20D. The Rebel is out of the question for me-- I'm down to deciding between the XT and the 20D.
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Old Feb 17, 2005, 3:53 PM   #3
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I have ended up deciding on the 300D a few days ago. Now, I have changed my mind and will be getting an XT.
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Old Feb 18, 2005, 6:33 PM   #4
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I decided on a 300d for Christmas... now I will be selling it for an XT.

I fell for the low/price rebate bait during the holidays, all along living in denial as to whether or not Canon would introduce a compellingly "better" camera to replace the 300d.

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Old Feb 18, 2005, 8:15 PM   #5
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I decided on a 300d for Christmas... now I will be selling it for an XT.

I fell for the low/price rebate bait during the holidays, all along living in denial as to whether or not Canon would introduce a compellingly "better" camera to replace the 300d.

I recommend that you wait longer. Between 300D and 350D, one should only pick the 350D if they have neither to begin with. It would be wisest, IMHO, that you continue saving, then when a successor to the 20D comes out, to upgrade to that, even if that will be 12 or even 18 months away. It might even happen sooner than that. My two cents.
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Old Feb 18, 2005, 11:04 PM   #6
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I decided on a 300d for Christmas... now I will be selling it for an XT.
Why? The 300D is a great camera:-). I certainly wouldn't sell it because of the difference in MP unless you are consistently making prints > 8x10. If most of your prints are 4x6 or 5x7 the extra MP is pretty meaningless unless you like to crop away a lot of your pictures.

To me you should buy a camera body like you would a PC. Get the features you need and can afford at the time and don't look back with regret ... then buy a new one when it's worn out (the shutter will eventially die), or when it makes sense because there actually would be a difference in the photos it creates.

It's way more important to buy good glass than to worry about the camera body.Some looking at dumping their 300D's and jumping for a 350D would be much better off using the difference and buying an awesome lens.



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Old Feb 18, 2005, 11:31 PM   #7
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I have ended up deciding on the 300D a few days ago. Now, I have changed my mind and will be getting an XT.
Keep your eye out for deals that are already starting to pop up. The XT is nice, but the prices on 300D's are already starting to drop. If you were going to buy the camera with a cheap kit lens, you would be much, much better off buying the 300D with better glass IMO.

One of the poorest lenses made for a Canon SLR is the Canon EF-S 18-55. Forthe difference between the future XT and a 300D body on clearance you'd be better off buying the 300D with a Canon EF-S 17-85. Check out www.Photozone.de for lens reviews. I have a 24-70 2.8L and a 28-105 f3.5-4.5 USM II and the reviews are spot on for each of them. By the way, a lens that lots rave about is the Tamron 28-75 for only $370 US... one of the best deals out there (just make sure you test it before buying since there are occassional bad copies).

The camera body isan expensive but disposable tool. Your lens collection is what really matters.



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Old Feb 19, 2005, 12:42 AM   #8
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I have ended up deciding on the 300D a few days ago. Now, I have changed my mind and will be getting an XT.
Keep your eye out for deals that are already starting to pop up. The XT is nice, but the prices on 300D's are already starting to drop. If you were going to buy the camera with a cheap kit lens, you would be much, much better off buying the 300D with better glass IMO.

One of the poorest lenses made for a Canon SLR is the Canon EF-S 18-55. For the difference between the future XT and a 300D body on clearance you'd be better off buying the 300D with a Canon EF-S 17-85. Check out www.Photozone.de for lens reviews. I have a 24-70 2.8L and a 28-105 f3.5-4.5 USM II and the reviews are spot on for each of them. By the way, a lens that lots rave about is the Tamron 28-75 for only $370 US... one of the best deals out there (just make sure you test it before buying since there are occassional bad copies).

The camera body is an expensive but disposable tool. Your lens collection is what really matters.



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Very good point. I plan on investing on good glass. I won't be buying any kit lens. Definitely, going for the good glass. They, hopefully, won't go obsolete for another 10-20 years.
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I'm as much of a good glass / lens bigot as anyone else here. However, I disagree with the idea the that the 18-55 is garbage. Yes, you should probably replace it over time, but no, it is certainly good enough to produce tons of useful pictures, and sometimes, you'll have a difficult time telling the difference in picture quality between the 18-55 EF-S and the 17-40 L.

Is the 18-55 as good as the 17-40 L? Of course not. Is it as bad as the price difference would indicate and a bad purchase for someone on a budget / starting out? Absolutely not. Should you not get a DSLR and just wait until you can afford the 17-85 EF-S? I don't think so.

BTW, I've bought both the 18-55 and 17-40, as well as several others, and have done some detailed comparisons for myself.

Another point: Cheap != bad. If you want a truely optically excellent lens which is very suitable for portraits for little money, get the 50 f/1.8.

IMO, the 300D was a great, full-featured DSLR in its price point in its day, but that day has passed. The 350D should be a better camera, correcting some of the flaws of the 300D. I wouldn't recommend getting the 300D any more. This point does not invalidate past decisions, but is valid for some current and future ones.

BTW,we own a300D and a 20D (my wife and I).We will not be upgrading the 300D to a 350D, but ifwe were to find a need for another relatively inexpensive DSLR, the 350D would be a likely choice for its capability and compatibility with our existing gear.
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Its always been my opinion to buy what suits your needs. Sure the 300D lacked some features that are now available in the 350D, but dont buy a camera just because it's newer or have more features but what will make you happy. Also prior to the XT's release I've seen 300D bodies go for as low as 300-400$ used by people trying to upgrade, now that the XT is out you can expect more of that to happen. I'd like to mention some of the reasons why I'm still content with my 300D but point out some of the things I wish it had but is correctible.

course we know without the hack, the 300D would be a bit more lacking.

-Print Size, even though its 6 vs 8, I still get great prints, even if I never really plan to print larger than 16x20.

-Second Curtain Flash, Would be nice, its not a major need of mine right now, but rather than trying to upgrade to the XT, I could easily put down 150$ for a SunPak PZ5000 which is supposed to rival the Canon EX550, and provide second curtain for the 300D.

-Speed. The XT is still 3fps , however it would be nice to have a larger buffer for my shooting, but in a real world scenario, I've rarely run into a crucial moment where I had to use burst and ran out of buffer, only time I think the additional buffer was needed was when I was at a golf tournament or another sporting event, 3fps is workable for me, but having more than 3 frames would be nice, also the hold the shutter half click to save into the secondary buffer is pointless now as my Sandisk Ultra II card can write as fast as the camera can push over the files into the second buffer.

-Selectible Metering mode, When I upgraded from my G3 to the rebel this was one of the first thing that confused me. However rather than setting evalutive, or center, etc, I learned to read the histogram, and work with the exposure lock on a subject.

-Mirror lockup, while I can get this with the hack, I've only had to use it when doing night shots, I assume some will use it for macro photography as well.

-Battery life, if there was one thing I was impressed with the 300D it was the battery life, seeing now as the 350D uses a smaller battery makes me glad about my rebel, however I use the grip all the time so I can double the battery power, if I am not mistaken the grip for the 350D would allow people to step upto the BP-511 but I'm not absolutly certain.

-Size of body, When seeing the XT reduce it's size slightly, especially the grip, didnt seem to appealing to me, as I'm a person that uses the bg grip all the time, just cuz I was tired of my pinky finger falling underneath the camera, but seeing as side grip being smaller on the XT I'd have to hold the XT to see if its still a good fit.

All in All, I can still do everything with my rebel that the XT can do , once I get the external flash, far as the color balance stuff on the XT thats similar to the 20D, thats why theres raw mode, but I understand the 300D/350D market is meant more for prosumer/entry level folks, that or more or less expecting the images the come out the way they want, and will primarily be shooting jpeg.

If the price were the same for both 300D and 350D i'd get the 350D for the features it already offers, but the idea is the 300D may be droping very low in price soon as the 350D hits the shelves.

Is the 350D an improvment, yes in many areas, but is it worth to either sell the 300D or overlook the purchase of a 300D... not likely at all.
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