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Old Apr 10, 2006, 11:31 AM   #1
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:?? i have a 300d and want to take more action(sports) and low-light shots(graduations and weddings). should i get the 30D or upgrade my lenses from
a 17-85is and 70-300 to a 17-55is f2.8, 85 f1.8, 50 f1.4, and 70-200 f2.8.
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Old Apr 10, 2006, 1:25 PM   #2
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IMO the faster lenes who help more for sports and low light. The 30D does I believe have a faster burst rate which is also a benefit for sports. Well it's only money, just get the camera and the lenses :-)
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Old Apr 10, 2006, 1:41 PM   #3
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This one is tough - usually the answer is better glass is always a better investment over a camera. But, given the two areas you want to improve your photo quality in, both are really necessary. The better glass speaks for itself.

But the 20d/30d has a lot of improvements over the 300d in sports and low light:

ETTL II vs ETTL metering for flash shots - I constantly had to use manual mode and FEL on my 300d (while leaving flash in ETTL mode) - now I no longer have to use the FEL and get much more reliable flash shots with my 20D.

ISO3200 capability on the 20d/30d - this can be huge depending on your low light situations. If flash is not allowed, this is a life saver especially if you require low light action shots where a lens with IS buys you nothing because you still need fast shutter speeds

5fps instead of 3, plus the better buffer handling so you can take more shots in a sequence. This is a big help for sports shooting - you can't predict when someone is going to have their eyes closed so having 5 shots to choose from instead of 3 is a big plus.

Instant-on - when I shot sports with the 300d I had to keep half-pressing the shutter to keep it from going to sleep (although you can change the duration before it will go to sleep I believe)

Better precision focusing with a 2.8 lens

With the 30d you'll get iso increments of 1/3 so no longer need to jump from say 1600 all the way up to 3200.

So, this is a tough one. Graduations and weddings should use a flash and not a fast prime anyway (you're not the official photog so do you really need that 1 or 2 shots in the church where flash isn't allowed). So, for just those types of activities you're better off buying a good flash gun than a fast prime IMO.

What sort of sports do you want to shoot? I'm just wondering - you have about $2000 worth of lenses listed and I'm wondering if you could get a 20d, a flash gun and a single lens for the same amount of money.
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pro baseball, football at every level, and basketball at every level:|.
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Old Apr 10, 2006, 3:14 PM   #5
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Then the answer is you need both:

You'll want the ISO 3200 for indoor basketball (along with 85mm 1.8 lens for baseline shooting)

If you shoot football under lights you'll absolutely need ISO 3200 and you'll want a lens at least 200mm 2.8

I would suggest 30d or 20d, 70-200 2.8 and 50mm 1.8 to start out - that will get you the most bang for the buck.

I wouldn't let the pro sports shooting drive your decision on anything - unless you're on the field or court, you're going to be restricted on lens size so you won't get great photos anyway .

It doesn't really matter which order you buy them in - lighting conditions for basketball and football are going to be poor enough you'll need both the benefits of the better camera and the faster glass.
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