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Old Jun 19, 2006, 10:51 AM   #11
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It sounds like you've already shot the wedding. I have expressed on this site many times what I think about doing wedding photography (my simple answer is "don't do it.")
I would suggest you search for "wedding eric" and find some of my posts on the subject. I've written quite extensively about it. When you read my posts, you'll understand why I suggest you not do it. (It sounds like you *want* to make this your profession, so you fall into a slightly different category than many people.)

Things I mention are:
learn how to get to the site.
Go there ahead of time and plan your shots.
Go to the rehersal and talk to members of both families. Learn who you need to get pictures of (and only *they* know!)

You'll notice that most of my suggestions are things to do *before* the wedding. Proper prep work is really required, because during the wedding you have other things to worry about. There are once-in-a-lifetime shots that you *must* get and if you're thinking about other things (like "where do I have to be next?") then you might miss it.

Your lens choice seems good to me. 105mm might be a bit short for some grab shots, but it certainly isn't "bad".
I would have suggested the 5D because you don't really need more reach for wedding photography. And, to me, the higher resolution and less reach is what matters.

Eric

ps. You should seriously consider getting 2 30D's. You really should have a backup camera. That alone probably means you don't get the 5D for awhile.
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Old Jun 22, 2006, 11:33 PM   #12
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I have a 30D and love it. For now I prefer having the faster speed over increased resolution and full sized sensor. I have noticed much greater disk space storage demands since upgrading from 6mp Digital rebel. So, I am not lookin forward to the storage demands the 5D would cause.

In terms of picture quality I am very happy with camera but look to invest in L-series lens. I would rather put more energy on L-glass than 5D as 5D will most likly require the L-glass anyway. Not use buying the 5D if you don't already have the glass.

Also, the 30D is very fast shooting RAW which allows for beautiful large images.

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Old Jun 23, 2006, 7:43 AM   #13
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In terms of picture quality I am very happy with camera but look to invest in L-series lens. I would rather put more energy on L-glass than 5D as 5D will most likly require the L-glass anyway.
While I agree the 5D may require L-glass - IMO there are significant benefits for not going with the L-series on an cropped frame like the 30D

Take the EFs 17-55 f/2.8 for example, or most 'digital' lenses in general for that matter (i.e. 3rd parties), and you'll find that at least in their contrast and sharpness (i.e MTF's), they are superior to the full-frame L's counter parts in all cases...
-> peripatetic can point to an earlier post on this or folks can do themselve a favor by checking it out: http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html

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Old Jun 23, 2006, 10:31 AM   #14
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The photos that you blew up to 20 X 24, were they shot in jpeg or raw format ?

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Old Aug 3, 2006, 12:30 AM   #15
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Thanks for the heads up on this one NHL. I was about to purchase a 17-40F4L to replace my canon kit lens but now I have to think about this a little more. I really think I will want F2.8 more than L although I love the colors form the 17-40.

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Thanks for the heads up on this one NHL. I was about to purchase a 17-40F4L to replace my canon kit lens but now I have to think about this a little more. I really think I will want F2.8 more than the L...
In case anyone is still in doubt, here's the actual MTF test results from the lens in question compared to a 3rd party 'digital' lens:
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...40_4/index.htm
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 @ 17mm MTF's:
Center - f/2.8: 1923 f/4: 2128 f/5.6: 2087 f/8: 2014
Border - f/2.8: 1842 f/4: 1949 f/5.6: 1928 f/8: 1880
Canon 17-40 f/4L @ 17mm MTF's:
Center - xxxxxxxxx f/4: 2005 f/5.6: 2039 f/8: 1986
Border - xxxxxxxxx f/4: 1587 f/5.6: 1685 f/8: 1872

Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 @ 24mm MTF's:
Center - f/2.8: 1846 f/4: 2050 f/5.6: 2073 f/8: 2002
Border - f/2.8: 1757 f/4: 1903 f/5.6: 1931 f/8: 1917
Canon 17-40 f/4L @ 24mm MTF's:
Center - xxxxxxxxx f/4: 1923 f/5.6: 2004 f/8: 1987
Border - xxxxxxxxx f/4: 1409 f/5.6: 1678 f/8: 1807

... Same results at all other focal lenghts
Theses lenses are both tested on the same 350D, however notice even on a crop camera the border on the 17-40L (I wonder how it'll do on a full-frame) lacks behind the 3rd party 'digital' lens + you'll be giving up the f/2.8!!!

The EFs 17-55 f/2.8 is of course nicer because of the IS, but it comes at a rather stiff price (i.e. one can buy an excellent 3rd party f/2.8 lens and another camera with built-in IS for the same cost as this EFs lens alone):
-> A rather costly investment when this lens can't fit either my 10D or my 1DmrkIIN



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... although I love the colors form the 17-40.
Isn't this a red herring???
Shouldn't the WB in the camera cancel any coloring?
Look into Sigma lens (your 70-200 f/2.8 for example): Check it out in front of a white sheet of paper -> They come with a 'pinkish' KR1.5 warming filter as compared to the Canon... :shock:
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Ilove shooting with theCanon 30D,300D (digital backup)and my ElAN 7NE. When I need full frame I shoot with 7NEfilm body.Film is my benchmark for my digital work espeacially B&W. I will try Ilfords, Fuji, TMAX, etc. and use results as bench mark for how I want my digital work to look. I am staying away from digital only lenses because I know want to continue learning film and will one dayupgrade to a full frame Digital Camera like the 5D or better.

I have been told by the time you upgrade to 5D you should have all L -serires lenses or fast primes. I figure If I can't make enough money with 30D and Tamron 28-75 F2.8, 50 1.8 and Sigman 70 -200 F2.8 to purchase5D I don't realy need it. I need to replace the 18-55 kit lenses I used to think this lens was O.K. but now I don't have confidence to shoot a wedding with it. I will upgrade to used 17-40 F4L (to maintain full frame future compatiability).

I plan on purchasing a printer either Epson or Canon that can print 13x19 and don't see myself going any bigger than that for a while.

This was shot with my Digtial Rebal 300d and converted to black and white using Alien Skins - Exposure - Fuji Neopan 100 (grain off)
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