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Old Oct 27, 2008, 11:08 AM   #11
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Indoor night shot. I had a couple of drinks before I took this one.

My girlfriend asked me to bring my Canon 20D along for the evening and take a picture of her son's 21st birthday outing with his friends (we were paying the bill).

Canon 20D, ISO3200, 1/20th of a second with flash. Can't believe I handheld this and got the shot - must have been the flash helping out.

Sigma 17-70 wide open at 17mm, F2.8.
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 11:52 AM   #12
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... I had a couple of drinks before I took this one.
Neat. I'll have to try that trick (reduction in blur from camera shake by having a couple of drinks first). I see that was taken at 1/20 second and ISO 3200.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist teasing you after seeing that line. :-)


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Old Oct 27, 2008, 12:32 PM   #13
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Yah, it's fun taking shots a little inebriated.

Actually, I'm finding my photography going a little downhill as I get older

I find I'm not as attentive to things like framing.

I'm also not working as hard as I used to - not as hungry for great photos.

Sort of like "ah, good enough, there's something in the frame".

They should make some sort of Viagra type product for us older photographers - lol.
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Old Oct 31, 2008, 11:26 AM   #14
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I was looking at getting a Sigma awhile back, but the amount of lens that needed to be sent back for calibration kind of put me off. I then seen this article by lensrentals.com and pretty much knocks me out of buying Sigma for the foreseeable future.

http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008...the-sigma-saga



http:/http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.09.12/the-sigma-sagama-saga
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Old Oct 31, 2008, 1:20 PM   #15
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I, I hear a lot of people talking about "bad copies of this" and "bad copies of that".

I've never had a bad copy of anything I've bought over the last 20 years, Tamron, Sigma, or Canon.

Some people might disagree but there's probably 10 times more paranoia going on around than net than actual "bad copies".

If you deal with a reputable online dealer like B&H photo they would stand behind your lens purchase and send you another lens if it indeed was a bad copy.

Lenses are tested by the manufacturer before they are sent out (at least the ones I've bought - they show a testing sticker ) . I doubt any manufacturer would make a point of sending out a "bad copy".

So, take it all with a grain of salt. A don't just buy Canon or Nikon because some people believe they are the only manufacturers that make good glass.

Basically buy the best lens you can afford, regardless of the manufacturer and don't listen to the paranoia.
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I'd have to disagree. You see out of tolerance lenses from any manufacturer from time to time.

Sure, some of the problems you see reported are user error. But, you see camera and lens problems, too. QC isn't as good as it should be, probably because of stiff competition forcing lower prices. ;-)

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I wonder if some of it is "buyers remorse".

They get a lens and their not sure if they bought the right lens.

If you look on the net, it always looks like someone is getting sharper pictures than yours.

If you go to the lens manufacturer websites, they can show sample results that make a $200 lens look like a $2,000 lens.

I'm not saying there isn't bad copies out there, I'm just wondering if it's worth "warning" someone off a particular manufacturer.

It's certainly a touchy point for some.
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I can deal with threads saying that Sigma has QC problems, but when the largest lens rental place online has problems to the extent that they have, then it makes me wonder. I did look at their rates of problem lens and the Sigmas seem to mostly have problems with their telephoto lens.

I do take all the threads hammering Sigma witha grain of salt, but lensrentals was not based off of one person's set of lens, but from their whole inventory that had almost all of their problems with one manufacturer. Believe me, the whole XSi has focusing problem was funny at dpreview. I still suggest that camera to others, and the whole problem seems to have died down because it was found to be almost completely false(there were a few bad copies, but not the extent that was perceived).

Now, I do have to say that the 50mm F1.4 HSM does still interest me, and I might still get it down the road. I just am more cautious now with Sigma.
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Well, the gentleman mentioned two Sigma lenses specifically: "the 150-500 and 120-400" .
I will email B&H and see if they are experiencing more returns with Sigma than other lenses.
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