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Old Jan 10, 2010, 8:39 AM   #1
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Hi, I have a canon EOS Rebel XT. I need a lense to shoot my kiddos as follows: 1) Ballet (with lots of lifts/jumps) indoors and cannot use a flash, no light except stage, will shoot from balcony; 2) Football: from the stands, nighttime or low light conditions. I am looking at the 70-200mm f/2.8, but what are the other alternatives? Thanks so much for all the information on this site! Kristy
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Old Jan 10, 2010, 8:52 AM   #2
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70-200mm is a good range for a fast lens, but it's not very long for shooting ballet from the balcony and it's definately not long enough to shoot night football from the stands. 300mm or 400mm would be better, but lenses that fast and that long are expensive (like the Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8, for instance.)
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Hi, I have a canon EOS Rebel XT...
One of the problems you may run into is that your XT is limited to a highest ISO speed of ISO 1600. So, with an f/2.8 zoom, your shutter speeds may be slower than desired, requiring more careful timing of your shots so that you're capturing them when the least amount of movement is occurring to reduce blur from subject movement.

So, you may want to consider upgrading the camera body at the same time. For example, going with something like the newer Canon T1i (a.k.a., EOS-500D), which has higher available ISO speeds.
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For football - you're not going to get good shots from the stands period. Too far away and poor angle (shooting down on your subject). As Jim mentioned, your camera is not capable of high enough ISO to get night football shots. You need ISO 3200 or 6400.

And, to give you an idea, the 70-200 2.8 lens is good for about 25 yards (75 feet) of range. That isn't very much at all - certainly not from stands. Even if you're on the sidelines, it won't reach the other sideline.

Unfortunately a very important part of getting sports shots is YOUR location. So, if you want shots you'll have to get to the sidelines. If you can't get on the sidelines but have to stay outside the fence you're just not going to get many shots at night. If it were day games you could get a longer lens (like a sigma 50-500) to get you enough reach. But such a lens is useless at low light sports.
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TCav is correct, you are not going to be close enough with a 200mm lens. You need to be within 75 feet to get good shots at that focal length. You might also find that the lighting isn't enough even with a f2.8 lens so something like the 100mm f2 might be a better choice for ballet however you need to be closer again (about 25 or so feet).
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Hi guys, O.k. I can get closer. I can take photos from the sidelines for the football and can move to within 50 feet of the stage for ballet. I'm also o.k. with upgrading my camera body to a T1i. But, I will still have no light or flash allowed for the ballet. Suggestions??
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If you can get close enough to the stage, the ef 100mm f2 prime may be a idea with the t1i body. That gives you 2 more stop over a f2.8 lens.

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For the ballet, it will depend on the lighting they use as different light setups/rigs will have make for big variations. I would think that the 70-200mm f2.8 with a T1i should do the job, but can't say for sure without knowing the sort of results you get currently (if you have some).
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sorry I goof, with the 100mm prime you get 3- 1/3 stops
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sorry I goof, with the 100mm prime you get 3- 1/3 stops
Are you talking about the difference in camera sensitivity available as well as the aperture?

XT (350D) has ISO 1600 max and the T1i (500D) has 12800 which is 3 stops.

A 100mm f2 lens is one stop brighter than a 70-200mm f2.8 (or any other f2.8 LOL).

So that is 4 stops brighter. However I wouldn't want to use ISO 12800 but 1600 on the XT was just usable so you don't get the full 4 stops benefit.

I still say that 100mm isn't going to be long enough to get good results at 50ft. The 135mm f2 might just do it.
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