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Old May 2, 2006, 9:23 AM   #21
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Oops, it's $365. There is currently a $20 rebate from Canon on it.
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Old May 4, 2006, 11:39 AM   #22
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NHL wrote: Yes - I have both the Sigma 12-24 EX HSM (and the 10D)


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So wait, are you saying the 12-24mm is not suitable for closeup group shots?
Now I am confused. For my 30D I was thinking of getting Sigma 12-24 to use for indoor large group photos along with some landscape photography.

Why would 12-24 not be good for large group shots on a 1.6x cropped camera:?
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Old May 4, 2006, 12:49 PM   #23
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Why would 12-24 not be good for large group shots on a 1.6x cropped camera:?
See here: http://www.camera.canon.com.my/archi...art6/index.htm


It has nothing to do with the Sigma - People use this type of lenses (all super-wides) for their larger perspective effect which is great for landscape but exagerate proportion on people
-> Try to take a portrait of a person up close with the kit lens even @ 18mm for example - It just does not look right (unless you're after the distorted effect of a WA)!


The 12-24EX is a rectilinear so even though the image seems distorted, the straight lines on the object(s) remained straight on the image...
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Old May 4, 2006, 2:21 PM   #24
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So the results of my research, this is what I ended up purchasing in the end from BHPhoto:



[align=left]Canon 17-40mm f/4L USM Lens
$679.95
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[align=left]Canon 580EX Flash
$379.95
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[align=left]Canon Timer Remote Controller TC-80N3

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[align=left]Bogen / Manfrotto 718SHB Compact Digi Tripod with 3-Way Head

$99.95

Tiffen 72mm-77mm Step-Up Ring (Lens to Filter)
$19.95

Tiffen 77mm Photo Essentials Filter Kit
$112.95

Lowepro LOCTAWB CompuTrekker AW Backpack
$129.95



For my needs, the 17-40mm was just fine, and I'm comfortable paying more for that lense than I would for a Sigma lense for compatibility reasons. I went into a local store that had a recti-linear 12-24 lense (not Sigma), and it definitely looked a little odd when you took closeup pictures of merchandise on the wall, even though it was perspectively corrected. Canon has a bunch of rebates going on right now, and so I'll save a bit of money on that. The other stuff will allow me to actually learn about photography, such as the timer control and flash. I chose not to get the 50mm prime, because I just don't see myself using it often.

The Lowepro backpack is phenomenal!!! I love it, so comfortable and will basically become my much upgraded travel electronic gadget bag. It'll hold a laptop, SLR camera + lenses, camcorder, Nintendo DS, other gadgets and cell phones. There's a bigger one too, and Ialmost got it, but decided against it because it would be overkill for group outings.
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Old May 5, 2006, 8:33 AM   #25
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If you can afford it, the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 L is the finest wide angle zoom lens available for Canon cameras, period, end of story. If you can't afford it, the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 is an excellent lens for the money. I own both and the Canon 16-35 is just unbelievably sharp with wonderful contrast and color and great build. You certainly get what you pay for with this stunning lens. Worth every penny in my estimation.
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Old May 5, 2006, 10:57 AM   #26
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Yeah, that was my initial question way back when. Although, I was comforted when I was told the flash unit will improve the performance of the 17-40mm lense -- basically 17-40mm with flash would be better than 16-35mm without... and I've heard from multiple people (one on this very forum, and a salesguy that the 17mm is a sharper lense) -- so subjective on most counts. When I compared the two, by taking what I would assume to be a common group photo, the 17mm was good enough for my needs, so I just can't justify the extra $600 or so for marginally better DOF and the 1 stop improvement.
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