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videobruce Jan 17, 2008 1:21 PM

I'm looking for a replacement copier for a old Canon PC2.
I rarely use it for a copier, it's just for conveinance.
I'm thinking about getting of a combination copier & printer which would get used more often then just a plain copier. I do have a ink jet printer which gets alot of use.

There are so many laser machines out there I have no idea where to start.

Here are my concerns & questions;

1. Main use would be a monochrome copier, but if it was a combination copier/priner, the printing function would get used more often,
2. Cost of replacement cartridges and drums,
3. Ease of re-filling the cartridge instead of replacement,
4. Quality, reliability & cost.
5. I'm not looking for the 'best',
6. Use would be occasional,
7. Small size, no tall 'tower', no doucment feeder necessary.
8. I like Canon, I'm not a fan of HP, but I'm not brand loyal,
9. No fax needed.


chapo Jan 24, 2008 7:11 PM

Have a look at Tom's Hardware as they recently did a report on laser printers

There is a couple of multi function printers in the report.

videobruce Feb 13, 2008 10:47 AM

I wound up getting a KX-MB271 copier/printer. It uses the KX-FAT92 toner cartridge and the KX-FAD93 drum;

Does anyone know if there is a 'chip' on either the cartridge or the drum? It appears that the cartridge has a opening at one end for refilling. The owners manual shows a error message regarding the drum life that tells me you can't reuse or renew the drum when it says it has to be replaced. The best price I found for that drum is $87 delivered. I paid $100 (plus tax) for the copier/printer and I don't feel like paying the same for just the drum.


freddyzdead Jul 23, 2008 7:34 AM

All of my experiences with Panasonic tell me that they certainly have built-in a way to make sure you cannot refill/reuse the cartridge/drum. That's the way it is, the company believes you shouldn't get anything for nothing. I consider Panasonic products to be beautifully engineered mediocrity and for that reason will not buy anything with their name on it.

Having said that, $100 seems very cheap for a MF unit with laser printer. They don't say how many pages you get from a drum/refill, though, which would make me pretty suspicious. Like all printer makers, they don't make much money from the machine, they rely on aftermarket sales. I, too, wouldn't be very happy about paying the whole machine price, just for a new drum, especially if it only did 500 or 1000 pages.

There are some plain paper fax machines that are just outrageous as far as cartridges go. I hope your MF unit isn't the same.

videobruce Jul 23, 2008 10:03 AM

There finally is a source to buy bulk toner (to a limited extent) from someone on e-bay. $56 for 3 refills (plus shipping) is a far cry from $47 including shipping for one refill.

The orginal 'starter' cartridge gave me around 500 copies.
I just wished I bought a 2nd one whehn it was $100 for parts.

Even at $150 (list), it's a steal.

devendrakardam Apr 21, 2010 7:33 AM

I think that HP,Canon,Xerox, Lexmark,Xerox will cost you more. Canon is just as good, but HP is the best one to get. Don't buy any Brother MFC or anything from them. Cost overhaul is higher. Lexmark LASER a pretty rock solid.

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