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Old Jul 27, 2007, 7:11 PM   #1
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Hey guys,

Was wondering if some one could explain to me whya ring flash would be chosen over a "regular" (sits in hot-shoe) in portrait photography or photo journalistm type shots. Or any other type of shootng situations.

Also, would the Canon ring flash fire an AF Assist beam? Will it?

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Old Jul 27, 2007, 8:07 PM   #2
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A ring flash (not the low output macro kind) create a wrap-around effect in shots. I have the Alien Bees AB800 & it's great. Most are in the $1000.00 & up range, except the Alien Bees Model (http://www.alienbees.com). I just got the 56" Moon Unit for mine today & took a few test snaps.....sorry, it's my 85yr old Mom modeling.

1st one is straight ring flash:


2nd is using the Moon Unit with the shoot through round diffuser:


Last is with just the Moon Unit Silver reflector:


I love it...it's like having a studio-in-a-bag!!
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Old Jul 27, 2007, 9:19 PM   #3
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Thanks for the picture sampels. But by "low output" models are you referring to the ones offered by Canon and Nikon? The type that sit on the end of a lens. Are those all considered "macro ring flash" units? And why would they not suffice?

And I did take a look at your Alien Bees ring flash. Not exactly portable. In that it isn't designed to sit on the camera. I want a flash I can also take on my travels. Which was partly why I was also looking at ring flashes (I guess I'm thinking of the low output macro types...dunno).

What do you think of this one...though, they say it is ment for "dental photography". I'm assuming you can use it in indoor/outdoor portrait photography also.

http://www.vistek.ca/details/details...ID=DigitalSLRs

And about your 85 year old mother. She looks good. I hope she's doing well and happy.

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The AB800 is portable & able to be hand-held...the extas make it more like a beauty dish. The low powered units sold for most cameras are ok if you're just using them to enabled slave triggers.
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Old Jul 27, 2007, 9:47 PM   #5
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The AB800 is portable & able to be hand-held...the extas make it more like a beauty dish. The low powered units sold for most cameras are ok if you're just using them to enabled slave triggers.
It's small but you'd have to hand hold it. Doesn't look like it can be mounted on the camera.

And if you had to choose between a typical external flash or a ring flash which would you choose? Or would you not choose between then? And use both. Depending on the situation.

Again, keep in mind, I plan to take it on my travels.

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Old Jul 27, 2007, 10:56 PM   #6
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I got my abr800 ringflash and moon-unit shortly after kalypso I think :G

No, the camera mounts into the center of the ABR800 ring flash, it has a camera platform in it. And the whole thing, flash, camera and all can be then mounted on a tripod, lightstand or handheld.

It is not very travel portable, it needs 120v outlet or a pure sine wave power pack like the vagabond.
ABR800 detailes: http://alienbees.com/abr800.html
Vagabond detailes: http://alienbees.com/battery.html

The small macro ringlights put out maybe 50w/s of power and are usefull for short range macro work.
The ABR800 outputs 320w/s and can light full figure portraits.

Recently P.Buff has added the Zeus pack/head system, the z2500 pack puts out 2500w/s into the new ZRM1 ringmaster flash head
http://alienbees.com/zeus.html

As for the which would I use choice, I have
5 standard flashes similar to the canon 550.
1 mini flash
3 studio strobes. (White-Lightning x1600)
1 ring light (Alien Bees abr800)
2 screw in strobes (Britek AS-36)
When used all are triggered with radio triggers and are set in manual mode.

You use what is appropriate to the job.
I am considering adding some lumedyne's but for now can't cost justify them. My need for high power on the go is rare.
You have to decide what kind of images you want to take, and where you will be taking them. Then buy equipment accordingly.

I recently posted this image of my "portable stuff" for the strobist group reqeust to post your "portable equipment"



http://www.flickr.com/photos/silverw...dio/824174677/ (The link goes to a tagged descriptive version of the image)
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Old Jul 27, 2007, 11:11 PM   #7
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Thanks PeterP. I guess when I do pickup my DSLR I'll pickup a standard flash to start. As i don't plan to do any studio work. Most of my shots are taken "on the go". Walking around the city. At festivals. Certain indoor/outdoor events. And on trips.

I guess i was wondering if I couldn't get away with not using a standard flash on my travels. And just use a macro ring flash. But is really only suited for specific shooting situaitons. For an all encompassing "practical/portable" flash it looks like a standard flash is the way to go.

I think you guys have answered my questions. Have a good weekend. I'll see you guys around elsewhere on this forum.
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Old Jul 27, 2007, 11:17 PM   #8
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I really recommend you read the Strobist Lighting 101
http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html

The portable flash units like the Canon 580, and Vivitar 285 (very cheep ~ 90$ each) can do an increadibly excellent job, ... once you get them off and away from the camera hot shoe. :idea:
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Old Jul 28, 2007, 10:51 AM   #9
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I was thinking about that canon macro light, and it might work as a fill outdoors if the distance is not to great.

It is a similar power to the standard flash, but is not focused to throw a long beam.
All conjecture, as I have never tried it. :G
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PeterP wrote:
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I really recommend you read the Strobist Lighting 101
http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html

The portable flash units like the Canon 580, and Vivitar 285 (very cheep ~ 90$ each) can do an increadibly excellent job, ... once you get them off and away from the camera hot shoe. :idea:
Like your assortment there Peter My vote is for the clamps & Duct Tape as most used items!

I often use a Vivitar 285HV, Wein Peanut & a 60" Photogentic umbrella for my main light (the thing's a monster...I can light up a group of 4-6)! I also throw a Space Blanket on the floor too.

I've also have a set of Norman 4H heads & power packs, but I believe this ringflash & my 285 rig will be all I need. (I'll know after tonight...I've got a bridal shoot & that's all I'm taking).
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