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Old Dec 8, 2002, 10:22 PM   #11
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KCan,

Thanks for the links and recommendations -- I'll check the links soon.

I too was impressed with the presence of the second tube for fill flash when you bounce the main flash. Also, I didn't know what a winder mode was until now. The Fuji S602 will shoot a 5 frame burst, or a 3 frame exposure auto-bracketing, but the onboard flash is disabled cause it just can't keep up. Does your Metz need an external battery to support winder mode?

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Old Dec 8, 2002, 10:45 PM   #12
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Does your Metz need an external battery to support winder mode?
no, but the « official » rate is 2fps, and with NiCad battery rack ( Metz still not converted to NiNH yet )
BTW, me and Padeye (another member here) have converted our NiCad battery rack into MiNH ( triple the life):
http://www.pbase.com/kcan/metz4540_battery_pack

You may also verify if there is sync signal at 5 fps on your cam; My D7i , at the 7fps mode, does not have flash sync signal, which disappoint me a bit
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Old Dec 9, 2002, 6:59 AM   #13
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You may also verify if there is sync signal at 5 fps on your cam; My D7i , at the 7fps mode, does not have flash sync signal, which disappoint me a bit
Good point. I will try to verify that.

Also, I didn't realize the Metz would require proprietary battery packs if you want rechargables. I have bunches of NiMH batteries and a charger I use for my camera already. I'd really like to use those instead of a proprietary system. I don't quite get this explanation in the manual of too much current coming from a rechargable that they must compensate for with the contacts. Of course I do realize you have less voltage from the rechargables.

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Old Dec 9, 2002, 8:44 AM   #14
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Tri,
Metz 45 come in 2 “flavors”: 1) with alkaline AA rack, or 2) with NiCad rack ( with slow charger included) . AC adapter is separately sold.
The Alkaline battery rack use 6 AA alkalines.
The NiCad rack use 6 AA NiCad already connected inside ( not replacable)

The Alkaline rack and the NiCad rack use different contact ( see my pbase pics) to take into account the 2 voltages. Using NiCad or NiMH in the Alkaline rack won’t allow the flash to operate properly and false the metering system.

If you want to use separate NiCad/NiMH with the alkaline rack, you must modify the contacts ( see the pics) accordingly ( not recommended by Metz of course, I won’t either, At the dirty low price of NiMH AA now, don’t bother to manage to use separate NiMH)

The best way is to get a used or completely dead NiCad rechargeable rack, and replace the 6 x 500 mAh Nicad , by 6 x 1700_to_2100 mAh “modern” NiMH , as I did . With 2100 mAh, you more than quadruple the original rated flash number by Metz!
I use the alkaline rack with 6 fresh alkaline for emergency backup only.
Both racks can fit in all 45 series flash.
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Old Dec 9, 2002, 10:28 PM   #15
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It's me again...

I checked the flash sync from the Fuji S602 and was disappointed as well. There is no flash sync from any burst mode.

I see what you mean about the "flavors." The different contacts make sense after seeing the pictures. What makes contact modification (though not recommended - of course) more appealing to me is the fact that I'm not fond of soldering to batteries. Especially when the torch gets them a little too hot and they explode like a firecracker! :shock:

Any idea how rechargable alkalines would perform? I'm certainly not impressed with their performance in the camera, and I wouldn't expect any better of them in the flash.

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P.S. Just kidding about the torch and ka-boom!
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What makes contact modification (though not recommended - of course) more appealing to me is the fact that I'm not fond of soldering to batteries
The drawback of this modification is the alkaline rack is now dedicated to 1.2 V NiCad or NiMH, and the danger is that you may forgot and put in 6 alkalines , the Metz sees 9V where it expects 7.2 V :shock: . I did not consider this approach b/c I have 2 rechargeable racks and 1 alkaline, but that’s the conclusion of Padeye, it’s too risky.

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Any idea how rechargable alkalines would perform? I'm certainly not impressed with their performance in the camera, and I wouldn't expect any better of them in the flash.
Absolutely no idea
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...the danger is that you may forgot and put in 6 alkalines , the Metz sees 9V where it expects 7.2 V
Good point.

I guess I just need to get a good flash and learn how to use it first. Then I can work on how to make it better later on. At least the Metz 45CL-4 is a flash that can grow with me. If I decide to purchase a new TTL compatible camera (i.e. Canon D60) a year or two down the road, the flash can be upgraded with the appropriate module and be like a brand new toy.

Thanks for all your recommendations and wise counsel. It's a shame there hasn't been more participation from other forum members -- perhaps because I talk (type) to much.

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Old Dec 10, 2002, 11:05 AM   #18
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You may have already checked out this thread in the same forum, but if not it has some good discussion on flash alternatives.
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Old Dec 10, 2002, 2:47 PM   #19
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Thanks LG,

I had overlooked that thread in that I'd been searching specifically for references to the Fuji S602 and flashes.

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Old Dec 11, 2002, 6:05 AM   #20
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Anyone have any experience actually using the Vivitar 283 with the S602 ?

I mainly wonder if its safe to mount on the camera and will not damage the S602 in any way.

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