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gaul Sep 8, 2005 12:32 PM

Comparisons of these 8 cameras in 2 different matrix:

FUJI S9000, KM A200, NIKON 8800, PANASONIC DZ30

CANON Pro 1, SAMSUNG PRO 815, KODAK P880, SONY R-1






FUJIFILM S9000 (Not yet reviewed by Steve)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fuji_finepixs9000z.asp
http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3106

http://www.dcresource.com/images/new...00_front-1.jpg

http://www.dcresource.com/images/new.../S9000_top.jpg

http://www.dcresource.com/images/new...000_back-1.jpg

http://www.dcresource.com/images/new...t_lcd_open.jpg




SAMSUNG Digimax Pro 815 (Not yet reviewed by Steve) -
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ung_pro815.asp

http://www.samsungcamera.com/product...&cat_uid=9

http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/...o815_front.jpghttp://www.letsgodigital.org/images/...ro815_back.jpg




KONICA MINOLTA A200 (Steve's review)http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...dimagea200.asp
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_..._front_blk.jpg


PANASONIC Lumix FZ30 (Not yet reviewed by Steve) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ic_dmcfz30.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...ges/3q-001.jpg



KODAK P880/P850 (Steve's review) - http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kodak_p880.asp- http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kodak_p850.asp
http://www.steves-digicams.com/image...p880_back2.jpg



NIKON COOLPIX 8800 (Steve's review) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kon_cp8800.asp
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_..._front_blk.jpg



CANON Powershot Pro 1 (Steve's review) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...canon_pro1.asp
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_..._front_blk.jpg



SONY DSC-R1 (Steve's review)- http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_..._front_blk.jpg




I see this post as a list rather than a discussion. Please feel free to add new cameras or links but no text.

We can always create additional threads as a multi-cameras comparison would go in too many directions...

nickphoto123 Sep 8, 2005 6:47 PM

Hello All,

Regarding the S9000 to me:

More pixels enable more cropping.

Image Stabilization is useless for moving subjects.

28 mm to 300 mm equivalent on a DSLR would cost +- $800 for low end glass, $2,500 +- for top quality glass.

Sync at ALL speeds !!! PC socket!!!!

Regarding the Sony R-1:

My head started spinning reading all about the new $1000 Sony R-1 today.

I finally settled down and decided I will get my S9000 for all the sound reasons I had in my head when I woke up today (you may remember that I am a Sony F-828 user).

The Sony R-1 may lead Fuji to an APS sized Super CCD camera.
The S9000 will put me in a good position, for only $700, to sit back and let the market go by until the quality gets so good that I would then upgrade.
I am not in this position with my present F-828.

Regards, Nicholas

Monza76 Sep 8, 2005 7:45 PM

Kodak P880 - not quite there yet, ISO too low, zoom too short.

KM and Nikon - the old noisy Sony 8MP sensor (same as F-828 without the four colour filter.

FZ30 - close but no ciger, doesn't cover wide angle, doesn't have high ISO

Sony R1- Wow!!!, a Digicam with a DSLR sensor, but it is large and does have a limited zoom range due to the much larger lens necessary for the much larger sensor. I would definitely consider this one but for the price I could geta DSLR body to use with my existing lenses. I hope this trend continues however.

I still think that, for $300 less, the Fuji is still a better value, but an APS-C sensor certainly puts this Sony in a whole new league.

Ira

nickphoto123 Sep 8, 2005 8:45 PM

Hello Ira and All,

Two years ago my friend, upon learning that I bought an F-828, told me "Nick, Sony is good but they never follow through with their products'.

Over time I have learned what he meant. Sony would not want to dominate the Prosumer market since they sell their 2/3 8MP sensors to everybody else.

The F-828 takes 10 seconds to save a RAW image, does not have a real pulse to its flash hot shoe. They built-in an unspecified delay in the flash pulse to third party flashes. ( yes, please believe me on this one). These are a couple of issues I belieive Sony was satisfied with not correcting so as to make room for the other camera companies who purchase their 2/3" sensor.

Now Sony introduces the R-1, with slow Raw write speed,and a 6 second flash recycle time. This indicates that Sony intends to sell the R-1 chip to the other camera companies just as they did with the F-828. In addition Sony does not want the new R-1 to kill business for their soon to be announced DSLR. So they leave out some capabilities for the R-1.

With the 5th Generation Super CCD, Fuji doesn't need Sony.

I'm getting the S9000 to update my F-828.

It is perfect for me with its specs at the $700 price point. Thanks Fuji.

Regards, Nicholas

nymano Sep 9, 2005 2:53 AM

Monza76 wrote:
Quote:

Sony R1- Wow!!!, a Digicam with a DSLR sensor, but it is large and does have a limited zoom range due to the much larger lens necessary for the much larger sensor. I would definitely consider this one but for the price I could geta DSLR body to use with my existing lenses. I hope this trend continues however.

I still think that, for $300 less, the Fuji is still a better value, but an APS-C sensor certainly puts this Sony in a whole new league.
As far as the "limited zoom range" is concerned, it depends, as always, on your point of view and on your style of shooting. I've got a 70-300mm zoom lens for my SLR and in the past 7 years have made only a handful of photos using it. I'm not really into wildlife photography and other applications I haven't found out yet. For the most I use my 28-70mm 2.8 lens, which, on some occasions, I'd wish to start at 24mm. So, for me, this 24-120mm seems to fit the way I shoot perfectly.

The reason I don't want a DSLR is that, apart from being sick of changing lenses,I badly need a live preview. I'm into building an underwater case and that live preview is a must!

@nick: So far, I was absolutely set on buying the s9000, provided that the upcoming reviews turn out positive (btw: buying a camera like this without waiting for reviews and user comments is IMO a bit careless). Albeit somewhat disappointed by some features/samles I think the s9000 will be a very good camera for its price.

BUT:thank god I'm not fuji-blinded so I've still got an eye open for alternatives, and that Sony R1 seems to be just that - a very very interesting and promising camera which might suit my needs just a bit better. We're getting a kid in february (lots of time till then) so I'm not overhasty and over autumn and xmas I'll be reading reviews, reading comments, viewing samples, etc.

nymano.

gaul Sep 9, 2005 5:31 AM

nymano wrote:
Quote:

We're getting a kid in february (lots of time till then) so I'm not overhasty and over autumn and xmas I'll be reading reviews, reading comments, viewing samples, etc.
So you will buy a nice prosumer camera for Xmas and to celebrate that, you will get a kid in Feb - as a shooting (with camera only) subject - , after having read reviews on mother's post-birth depression, sleepless nights and other user feedbacks... :?

nickphoto123 Sep 9, 2005 5:41 AM

Hello Nymano,

Its notthat I am "Fuji-blinded", but I am -"S9000 specs and printed downloaded 8x10 prints convinced"- that I will not go wrong with the S9000 and that it will be more than an excellent replacement for my F-828.

The S9000 is also a very quick camera.

Check out this hands on preview of the S9000 and the editor's comments:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/re...s9000_EN1.html



Congratulations on your coming baby in February.

This R-1 "First Look Review" specifically reports on a pre-prooduction model of the new Sony R-1, and covers its ability to photograph curious, ever moving little ones:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/R1/R1A.HTM

Regards, Nicholas











marsha7 Sep 9, 2005 5:18 PM

While nick is comparing the S9000 vs F828, I believe someone posted a non-USA site for the "upcoming" F939 from Sony...either it was a fake, or there is about to be a 939, since the posters stated that the 828 was no longer in production...or is the R1 really what the 939 was going to be???...comments???

Strackman Sep 9, 2005 5:46 PM

Hi guys, I've been reading and watching the S9000 threads pretty closely, as I seriously considered previously the KM A2 until I heard about the S9000, well I think I've found something that sounds even better although it is a little lesser known name - Samsung.This new camera sounds extremely promising, considering it has 28m-420m range, along with Schneider lens (which is a VERY good lens, btw) also has a huge 3.5" LCD!!Heres the link, check it out:http://www.samsungcamerausa.com/prod...p;navtab=specs

gaul Sep 9, 2005 6:07 PM

marsha7 wrote:
Quote:

While nick is comparing the S9000 vs F828, I believe someone posted a non-USA site for the "upcoming" F939 from Sony...either it was a fake, or there is about to be a 939, since the posters stated that the 828 was no longer in production...or is the R1 really what the 939 was going to be???...comments???
I did ... but I just realize that maybe the DSC-F939 won't be named like that but DSC-R1... Can't tell more. :?

See this link where I got that from: http://www.global-dvc.org/Sony%20DSC-F939.htm



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