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Old Jul 23, 2010, 11:33 PM   #11
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As to the choppy video - what's the specs of the computer you're trying to play them on? Full HD requires a system with quite a bit of "oomph" - my Intel Centrino Core Duo CPU Windows 7 laptop with 3 gigs of RAM won't play them that well either, but does okay with the "lower quality" ones.
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 11:42 PM   #12
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That's odd. This is only the second time I've heard of it. The OP and now yours. Everyone else I know of that has the HS-10 doesn't have a problem. I wouldn't consider it a "common" complaint. "Isolated", yes. "Common", no.
I did a quick search of some of the digicam related sites I visit. Here are some posts that have been made concerning the HS10 manual zoom:

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/fu...fuji-hs10.html

"The manual control of the lens is clunky and requires a little effort to use."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-...tReview&page=2

"The manual zoom is nice and works well though it seems to be jerky (maybe it will smooth out with time."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=5

"Not to mention, the zoom ring has a decidedly binding feel as the elements pop out."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=6

"4. stiff zoom and other noises."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=7

"The video is nice, but you will wince when trying to manually zoom that lens while filming! Jerky at best. "

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...si=rev#reviews

"While the overall camera feels solid enough, the zoom is stiff and jumpy"

"This camera has 4 major flaws. the #1 is the sticky movement of the zoom making it imposible to zoom smoothly"

"The manual zoom lens barrel is rather stiff and results in zoom jerkiness during video capture. I expect it to loosen up as time goes by, but why should I have to? "

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"I really liked the concept of a manual zoom lens. It can be a bit sticky at times, but so far I like it."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"I've had virtually no issues with the zoom, although I wish it was a little less tight."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"do like to take some videos but whats the point of having 1080p and a sticky manual zoom"
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My new HS-10 arrived today and the zoom is as smooth as silk, and very precise.

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Old Jul 24, 2010, 8:37 AM   #14
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I did a quick search of some of the digicam related sites I visit. Here are some posts that have been made concerning the HS10 manual zoom:

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/fu...fuji-hs10.html

"The manual control of the lens is clunky and requires a little effort to use."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-...tReview&page=2

"The manual zoom is nice and works well though it seems to be jerky (maybe it will smooth out with time."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=5

"Not to mention, the zoom ring has a decidedly binding feel as the elements pop out."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=6

"4. stiff zoom and other noises."

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-FineP...0&pageNumber=7

"The video is nice, but you will wince when trying to manually zoom that lens while filming! Jerky at best. "

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...si=rev#reviews

"While the overall camera feels solid enough, the zoom is stiff and jumpy"

"This camera has 4 major flaws. the #1 is the sticky movement of the zoom making it imposible to zoom smoothly"

"The manual zoom lens barrel is rather stiff and results in zoom jerkiness during video capture. I expect it to loosen up as time goes by, but why should I have to? "

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"I really liked the concept of a manual zoom lens. It can be a bit sticky at times, but so far I like it."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"I've had virtually no issues with the zoom, although I wish it was a little less tight."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...nual+zoom&qf=m

"do like to take some videos but whats the point of having 1080p and a sticky manual zoom"
I've noticed that a lot of these that complain of the problem, say they are having it while shooting video. I have said it in the past and I'll reiterate it. If you are going to shoot video other than as a spontaneous quickie, then use a video camera. A bridge camera's main function and purpose is to produce STILL images. Video is a nice-to-have feature but it is not the main mission of the camera. Another thing to keep in mind: Out of how many that Fuji has sold is this happening. When it first came out, they were selling faster than they could be supplied. A pretty fair indication that there are an awful lot of them out there. If the camera is so atrocious, send it back. If you don't own the camera, don't buy it if you feel it won't perform up to your expectations. My HS-10 functions completely to my expectations. Sure, it's got a couple of things I'm not ecstatic about but I don't throw out the baby with the bathwater because of them and I certainly don't ask others to do so. Everyone's criteria is a little different. I don't expect others to use my criteria when going camera shopping. I do, however, post images/results of the end product of said camera and, in the end, that's what counts. Doesn't matter what my opinion is. My "sticky" may not be your "sticky". It's all relative.
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Old Jul 24, 2010, 9:23 AM   #15
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I've noticed that a lot of these that complain of the problem, say they are having it while shooting video. I have said it in the past and I'll reiterate it. If you are going to shoot video other than as a spontaneous quickie, then use a video camera. A bridge camera's main function and purpose is to produce STILL images. Video is a nice-to-have feature but it is not the main mission of the camera. Another thing to keep in mind: Out of how many that Fuji has sold is this happening. When it first came out, they were selling faster than they could be supplied. A pretty fair indication that there are an awful lot of them out there. If the camera is so atrocious, send it back. If you don't own the camera, don't buy it if you feel it won't perform up to your expectations. My HS-10 functions completely to my expectations. Sure, it's got a couple of things I'm not ecstatic about but I don't throw out the baby with the bathwater because of them and I certainly don't ask others to do so. Everyone's criteria is a little different. I don't expect others to use my criteria when going camera shopping. I do, however, post images/results of the end product of said camera and, in the end, that's what counts. Doesn't matter what my opinion is. My "sticky" may not be your "sticky". It's all relative.
And there I believe the question has been answered about the lens.

As great as posting and asking questions on forums is I wish there was a way to just magically get together in person and talk.
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Old Jul 24, 2010, 9:26 AM   #16
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As to the choppy video - what's the specs of the computer you're trying to play them on? Full HD requires a system with quite a bit of "oomph" - my Intel Centrino Core Duo CPU Windows 7 laptop with 3 gigs of RAM won't play them that well either, but does okay with the "lower quality" ones.
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Just a stab, but are the video files on a local drive or one connected via WiFi? Wireless networking can suffer from congestion or interference.

What software are you using for playback? Have you downloaded any of the high-bit-rate samples out there to stress test playback?

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Just a stab, but are the video files on a local drive or one connected via WiFi? Wireless networking can suffer from congestion or interference.

What software are you using for playback? Have you downloaded any of the high-bit-rate samples out there to stress test playback?

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I don't know if I'm really explaining the problem well enough.

Let's say I want to take Full HD movie of 2 groups of people. I film group 1 for about 20 seconds without moving the camera. Without ending the film I then pan left to right for about 10 seconds till I'm on group 2 and then film them without moving the camera anymore for about 20 seconds.
I end up with about a 50 second clip.
On playback the first 20 seconds (group 1) look fine. The last 20 seconds look fine (group 2).
The 10 seconds where I was panning though has dropped frames. I'm not talking about camera shake, but where you can see a couple of frames where dropped.

I'm viewing this on the QuickTime player that was bundled with the camera.

I tried looking for some samples (youtube) but couldn't find anyone panning the camera. They zoom in and out, stay on one subject or group, etc., but no panning.
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I've noticed that a lot of these that complain of the problem, say they are having it while shooting video. I have said it in the past and I'll reiterate it. If you are going to shoot video other than as a spontaneous quickie, then use a video camera. A bridge camera's main function and purpose is to produce STILL images. Video is a nice-to-have feature but it is not the main mission of the camera. Another thing to keep in mind: Out of how many that Fuji has sold is this happening. When it first came out, they were selling faster than they could be supplied. A pretty fair indication that there are an awful lot of them out there. If the camera is so atrocious, send it back. If you don't own the camera, don't buy it if you feel it won't perform up to your expectations. My HS-10 functions completely to my expectations. Sure, it's got a couple of things I'm not ecstatic about but I don't throw out the baby with the bathwater because of them and I certainly don't ask others to do so. Everyone's criteria is a little different. I don't expect others to use my criteria when going camera shopping. I do, however, post images/results of the end product of said camera and, in the end, that's what counts. Doesn't matter what my opinion is. My "sticky" may not be your "sticky". It's all relative.
If the lens is "sticky" while shooting video, it isn't going to magically become smooth while shooting stills. The characteristic of the lens won't change. I've seen enough posts, such as the one Sarah has posted here, to believe that some of the HS10's must have a smooth manual zoom. ddandb stated in his opening post that there was no way to turn the manual zoom smoothly on his camera. There is no way to turn the zoom smoothly on my camera either, and I gave my opinion that it was a common problem. Subsequently, I provided numerous links to back up that opinion. When ddandb did a google search on "hs10 zoom jerky", he said he got lots of hits. Out of how many that Fuji has sold is this happening? I don't know. I think enough evidence has been provided to show that the problem is more than "isolated". There's one thing of which I am certain. Sweeping the flaws of the camera under the rug and pretending they don't exist gives Fuji no incentive to improve it. If the next iteration of the HS10 is a much better camera, you can thank the many folks who returned their cameras and the others who have kept them but are vocal in their disappointment with the HS10's shortcomings.
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I've been so worried about the video and trying to figure everything out that I forgot to say....
This camera takes some great pictures.
Keep in mind that this was one of the first pictures I took with this camera and had it less then an hour. Wanted to see what 30 zoom would do for me.
The hummingbird was very cooperative and stayed put for about 20 seconds.
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