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Old Jun 30, 2011, 8:26 PM   #11
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battery door flimsy and lens mount?

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Heh... got you puzzled too, eh?
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Old Jun 30, 2011, 11:32 PM   #12
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The location of the lens mount really sucks.
A very insightful observation. I agree. The lens mount would have been much better located if it was on the side of the camera to facilitate taking photos around corners.

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The battery door is very flimsy.
It is always a pleasure to have members provide such informative comment in the comparison between two very similar cameras.

There are indeed differences between the battery doors on the two models.

HS10 Battery Door



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Heh... got you puzzled too, eh?

yes! and battery door on neither of my cameras is flimsy

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Old Jul 1, 2011, 7:11 PM   #14
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yes! and battery door on neither of my cameras is flimsy

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"Flimsy" is a relative term. What is "flimsy" to one is not to another. I don't think they're flimsy either but... some folks just have to have something to whine about.
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Old Jul 2, 2011, 2:28 AM   #15
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This will be my first try at producing nearly identical photos for comparison between two very similar cameras. My thoughts are to take the same photo from each camera at f = 24mm, f = 135mm, f = 300mm and f = 720mm. The aperture and shutter speeds would be automatically be selected by the camera.


The above could then be repeated with macro ON and a final pair of photos taken with super macro ON at f = 24mm.


What are your thoughts on the above?


Setting, HS20, HS10


Mode Dial, P, P
Lens Filter, None, None
Lens Hood, None, None
Macro, Off, Off
Built-in Flash, Closed, Closed
Mounting, Tripod, Tripod
Image Stabilisation, Off, Off
Shutter Delay, 2sec, 2sec
AE Mode, Multi, Multi
AF Mode, Centre, Centre
Focus Mode, Single, Saingle
WB, Auto, Auto
ISO, 100, 100
Image Size, L4:3, L4:3
Image Quality, N, N
Dynamic Range, 100%, 100%
Film Simulation, Std, Std
WB Shift, 0,0, 0,0
Colour, Mid, Mid
Tone, Std, Std
Sharpness, Std, Std
Noise Reduction, Low, N/A
Face Detection, Off, Off
Face Recognition, Off, N/A
Movie AF Mode, Continuous, N/A
Movie Mode, 640, 640
HS Movie Speed, N/A, 240fps
Movie Mode Select, N/A, Normal
AE Bkt AE Steps, 1/3, 1/3
Flash, 0, 0
External Flash, Off, Off
High Speed Shooting, N/A, Off
Electronic Level, Off, N/A
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Old Jul 2, 2011, 4:55 AM   #16
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On-line cost wise, the HS10 and HS20 are now within about 5% of each other, including world-wide delivery. A few months ago, there was a 30% to 50% price difference. Now I am starting to understand why.

I was playing around with both HS's last night. A few things I did notice was that the HS20 is slightly quicker with its AF. The HS20 is also noticeably better at achieving AF in poor light at "long" (3m to 5m) range when compared to the HS10. When the HS10 just could not get it, the HS20 achieved.

Image stabilisation on the HS20 also appears to be better. This may have been because the HS10 was set to sensor IS only (not sensor+digital). The HS20 was set to Dual IS mode ON and does not give the option to separate the two types. Normally I have shied away from using digital stabilisation on the HS10. (Why, I do not know.) I might give it a go.
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The weather her is still lousy for taking photos outside - cold, overcast and drizzling rain. So, today I took some comparison photos in my office. They can be found here (I hope you can access it). They are nothing great, just very basic comparison shots.

In taking these photos, I tried to have each camera set up as equally as possible, with the camera automatically selecting shutter speed and aperture.

Even when pixel peeking for image quality with the non-resized photos, I could find very little, if any, difference between the HS20 and the HS10. So far, my impression of both cameras is that they are the same, except in software and on-board processing power, where the HS20 is better. This is probably to be expected as they both have the same lens.

There may be noticeable differences at higher IOS's with the different sensors in the two cameras. I am not sure yet how to compare that.
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Lens mount? This is a fixed-lens camera. What are you referring to?
I meant to say the tripod mount.
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I meant to say the tripod mount.
Do you have a reason to make such a statement?

Neither the HS10 or HS20 are designed primarily as panning video cameras, so the tripod mounting point is best located under the camera's transverse centre of gravity. This is what Fuji have done.

Where would you like it located and why?
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Old Jul 4, 2011, 9:35 AM   #20
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Ok, let me rephrase my comment then; I do not like where they put the tripod-mount because it is too close to the batterycompartment, therefore the tripod-quickrelease covers the batterydoor. So, each time you change batteries, you have to remove the quickrelease. Because the tripod mounting screw insert is made out of plastic instead of a metal, the plastic threads will wear out sooner or might get damaged.
I happen to use a tripod a lot, especially with the longer zoom. Satisfied?
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