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Old Aug 3, 2004, 7:48 AM   #1
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Fuji has just released some information on the new S3100/3500 and the S5100/5500, and it looks like they are listening.

The S3100 (possibly S3500 in Europe) is a 4MP replacement for the S3000, not much else to report here.

The S5100 (possibly S5500 in Europe) is the real news. Gone is the 3.1MP SuperCCD with interpolated 6MP mode, instead it now sports the same 4MP sensor as the S3100. Here is the good and bad, as far as I have found.

- Now has ISO from 64 to 400

- Now has control over jpeg compression, much larger file sizes with less compression is possible.

- The CCD-RAW mode is now a real RAW mode, no interpolation. This means all of the info from the 4MP CCD without any interpolation algorithms.

- Probably due to the larger pixel count the burst modesare now for only 3 shots instead of 5.

- It still doesn't have an external flash connector.

I think the S5100 really addresses the image quality issues which some reviewers and users had with the original S5000 without losing any of the functionality. They are being released soon so I will be awaiting Steve's review. Post information you may have right here.

This may be my next camera.

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I hope they add Pictbridge support, I got this stupid printer that supports it, and my S5000 doesn't.
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Old Aug 4, 2004, 7:20 PM   #3
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The brochure does have the PictBridge logo and the line "World standard PictBridge compatable" on it. This is no garantee but the camera will be available soon so it may be worth checking out. If it is, want to sell your S5000 cheap.

Just kidding, right now my choices have narrowed to the S5100 or the new Kodak DX7590. I like the fuji better, however the Kodak does offer a few important features such as 5MP, a new higher resolution EVF and support for an external flash. I can't really afford the "prosumer" models.

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if the 5100 looks the same as the 5000, and since ithas a higher MP (better pics) and Pictbridge, mine is as good as sold. I hope they add a IR port, or something so you can use a remote with it.
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I don't think they have an IR portbut it sure looks like an improved camera. Check out http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/FujiS5100S3100.shtmland http://www.bytephoto.com/forums/prin...?threadid=1873for more details.

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Old Aug 30, 2004, 12:13 PM   #6
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I'm with you, Ira. I lust after the S5100.

Oddly, I too aman east coast canadian who can't afford "prosumer".

I'm a little disappointed thatFuji's gone down to bursts of 3 (from 5).

One of the things that I had admired about the S5000 was that burst mode,

not just for the usual "catch the perfect moment" thing, but more importantly,

with that 10x zoom, as a sort of poor man's image stabilization. Burst is a

trick for when you really ought to be using a tripod. Shake tends to be

oscillatory, and if you take enough frames, you can often get one with the

oscillationat it's end point where velocity is near zero. And, on a digital,

so what if youtake 5 and then delete 4?It doesn't cost anything. With a

rapid burst of 5, I'ld have felt more confident about being able to actually use

that long zoom, without dragging a tripod along. So ya, that's a disappointment,

but nonetheless, the improvements do outweight that consideration.

I do still so want that gorgeous little black gem. Have you seen one up close?

I saw one at my local Black's Photo (an S5000 of course). They're just SO

damned pretty. I justify wanting it by the specs, but the fact is, I just love

the look of it. How could anyone settle for a little grey pill box, when you

could be holding this in your hand for the same price? Actually, I can't really

even afford the can$550 - I've employed the measure of last resort...

I begged Mrs. Santa for it. I told my wife I didn't want an anniversary present,

a birthday present, or anything else for Christmas. (And I do believe she has

already made a deposit to reserve one for me.) So ya, my mind's made up.

I'll be bouncing up and down just like the kids come Christmas eve.

Cheers to you Ira, and all other forum readers of course.

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Swampdweller, I got to hold an S5000 way back in Oct 2003, at a camera store in Calgary (business trip). It certainly is a beauty, but I like the idea of Fuji going to a conventional CCD, their old 2800Z, which my wife has, takes magnificent pictures despite only 2MP. The lower burst number is unfortunate but I think the lower image compression will make up for it in the long run. Right now I am seriously considering this model (or an S7000 if I can save enough money). Mrs. Santa got tapped out last year (especially with a kid starting university).

If you can't wait Camera Canada has some refurbished S5000s for $377 Cdn.

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Hi Ira. :bye:



I've been scouring the web everyso oftento see

when the 5100 Owner's Manual becomes available

...and finally it is. I just downloaded it now (8 Meg PDF). :love:

I doubt the link will work just pasted in like this

(these damned long ASP ones never do)... :roll:

http://www.fujifilm.ca/Downloads/Dow...113&ID=484

but if you click around a bit at



http://www.fujifilm.ca



I'm sure you can find it as easily as I did.

I intend to have it memorized by Christmas morning. :shock:



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I'm still quite happy with my S7000 - it suits my needs over the S5100/S5500, not that those cameras aren't without their advantages.

Now, if only Fuji would get on the firmware wagon and support their products.




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Oh yes, the S7000 is lovely - but it's a whole tier higher in the price spectrum.

As 4 MP long zoomers go, my alternate choice, if I had 30% more buying power

(though even I can'tgrovel much more than I already have) and if I weren't

quite as obsessed with sheer physical beauty as I am, would be the

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ15

nicely reviewed here at Steve's

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/fz15.html

(incidentally, I can't get the last page "Conclusions" of that review to come up).

Although I'm already wed to the S5100 (Santa's elves are already building mine)

I do have some small reservations about it.

When Steve's review

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_...uji_s5100.html

demonstrated so much vignetting, I thought,

"Ya, but only in the upper left, his unit must be defective,

surely if the optics were being stretched too thinly, Fuji would

at least center the exposure on the CCD, minimizing the vignetting

by distributing itto all four corners."

But alas, I have seen the same upper left vignetting in sample photos posted here

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fu.../gallery.shtml

as for example in their image #2283.

Perhaps more disturbing is their image #2282.

The vignetting is in the upper left again, but wait,

that's a portrait orientation, so, unless the image has been flipped,

that vignette is either upper right or lower left "as the camera sees",

suggesting that the fault is not limited to that corner of the CCD

but rather that it is distributed evenly and will show up in whichever

corner receives those lighting conditions.

(Ok, perhaps I should have understood that in the first place, but I didn't.)

I begin to suspect now, therefore, that vignetting may prove to be a problem

with all S5100s.

But hey, not every picture is going to haveblue sky in the corners, and,

I tend to crop most of my pics anyway, so... I can live with a little vignetting.

Looks like I'm going to have to.


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