Go Back   Steve's Digicams Forums > Digital Cameras (Point and Shoot) > Fujifilm

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old Dec 13, 2002, 2:01 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 93
Default New 3800 Owner (at least for the next few-to-30 days)

Hi, folks. I finally did it. I've been researching and 'hand-testing' and agonizing over my 'next' digicam for weeks if not months. Today, finally, I took the plunge and bought the FinePix 3800, which wasn't even on my list of possible purchases. I sorta love it, but now I'm panicking. People over at www.dpreview.com, who also encouraged me to go Fuji, are now basically trashing the 3800. I was/am looking for a prosumer digicam for graphic design; great macro; and day-to-day/all-around photography. One thing I (stupidly) didn't notice until it was pointed out at dpreview is that an external flash can't be used, and ISO is limited to 100??? Also, the lens cap is rather flimsy. Do others agree about that? Is this truly a prosumer camera, or should I return it & keep looking?

Owlz
Owlz is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old Dec 13, 2002, 2:12 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 340
Default

Take a look at teh other 65 fuji 3800 threads.

I own the camera. For starters, my lens cover sits perfectly. You say you researched heavily but you didn't know about the ISO frozen at 100??????

It takes VERY good shots and is a low end prosumer. you have aperture, WB, sharpness, exposure and a few other things to fiddle with. Buy a set of lens filters too.

The big zoom is fantastic and more "serious" cameras either have the stock 38-100mm lens or it's as big as a truck like the Minolta 7Hi.

Your only other bet was the Oly C-730 but it's a fair bit more expensive and not as good to handle.

I reviewed this camera on dpreview so take a look at "Alfisti".

It's averaging 4.4 out of 5 and the Oly is averaging 3.8 out of 5 ... tell you something??????
Alfisti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 13, 2002, 5:21 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 93
Default

Fair enough, I suppose, that you attack me about the ISO 100 issue. Still, it's a big issue, as is the blurry auto-focusing problem with the camera (which others at dpreview have mentioned). Still, I'll read your review.
Owlz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 13, 2002, 5:35 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 93
Default

Alfisti, I just checked Fuji Talk at dpreview and didn't see your review. Where is it?
Owlz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 13, 2002, 6:19 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 340
Default

Sorry mate, didn't mean it to be an attack.

It's on there, www.dpreview.com , i posted it twice by mistake.

please ignore the funny letters that appear time to time because i originally posted it in another forum and pasted it there, so it looks a bit weird.

The only real problem with the camera is;

a) would love a 30mm wide angle but ALL DIGICAMS are a BITCH for that.

b) it takes a GREAT night shot but you can't see what you're shooting 'cos the EVF is black!!!!!!!

c) It's a tad larger than i would like but smaller than anythign else in it's class.
Alfisti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 13, 2002, 8:07 PM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 93
Default

Hello again, Alfisti. I just did a search in the Fuji Talk forum again, this time using 'Fuji FinePix 3800' as my keywords (without the ' '). Unfortunately, I still can't find youer review. Am I looking in the right place, using the right search words? Please advise.

Thank you.
Owlz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2002, 12:10 PM   #7
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 21
Default

just wanted to add my $.02 about the 3800. I have owned one for about a month now and am happy with it. When I used the original len cover without the adaptor ring on the cam it worked fine. I keep the adaptor mounted all the time now with a UV filter attached and it fit like crap. Picked up a 55mm lens cover of all places at Disney world a couple of weeks ago for around 4.00 and it fits great so I wouldn't let the be the reason to return it. Also at night both viewing options are useless but as long as you are pointing in the general area the picture comes out fine and I just crop as nec. Other than those issues I am quite happy with my purchase. Also I use the half shutter alot and that cures the blurry photo issues.
telmd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2002, 2:00 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 340
Default

OK i am sure you're in the wrong place, go to www.dpreview.com, then to cameras, then to the 3800 ... i am there twice.

'Cos i am nice, here it is, i copied from there

Now i suggest reading my review below then consider this; i wrote the review after a week of ownership and i will add a few things now 'cos i have had it for a month.

1stly, what do you want??? if you want the big zoom then it's this or the OLY C-730 or a pricey SLR. If a LOT of manual options are more important then look elsewhere. I find that in 80% of occassions one doesn't have the time to fiddle with the settigns anyway!

Night time shooting is a bitch, you can't see a thing but most cameras have an EVF now so that issue is coming up everywhere. it's a shame because it takes a great night shot!!!!!

Remember what the camera is. People that are dissapointed are expecting WAY too much, it's not an SLR, it's priced WAY below camera's like the nikon 885 and the Canon S30 and this camera offers a MUCH BIGGER zoom and is VERy stable in the hands. This is NOT AN SLR.

Comapre the reviews on dpreview, the nikon 885 is at 3.9 and the Oly C-730 is the same. The Fuji is at 4.4!!! :P

At full optical zoom (230mm), camera shake becomes and issue so i can only assume the Oly C-730 @ a whopping 380mm is a nightmare past 230mm. unless you have a tripod the extra 150mm is useless :roll:

My 4x6 prints in 2MP mode are GLORIOUS if i choose glossy. Also, macro works pretty damn well.

So here is my original review ............................
.................................................. ...............................................

Basic Premise: Big zoom, “mid-level” camera with some manual options but certainly “point and shoot”.

Basic Specs: 3.2MP, 60 sec movie mode with sound, 38-228mm lens, voice memo on all pics.

RRP: $CDN699 without batteries, charger, case or big XD card.

Only Competitor: Olympus C-730 with a 38-380mm lens (unstabalised) and more manual settings. RRP$CDN850 without above-mentioned accessories.

PROS:
- SHUTTER SPEED: SENSATIONAL. Very close to a 35mm camera, VERY close. This is the biggest problem with digicams and when you look at user reviews of the Oly C730 it is not as fast as the Fuji.

- PICTURE QUALITY:. Beautiful shots, AUTO mode produces wonderful photos, the camera is idiot proof really. Sharp shots with great saturated colour. A very strong flash compared to any point and shoot I have used before.

- MENU/NAVIGATION SYSTEM:: Absolutely brilliant. It’s SO DAMN EASY, someone has spent a lot of time on this because it works beautifully. In 10 minutes I had everything sussed, and there is a LOT to fiddle with, because it all made sense.

- EASE OF USE: The camera is “intelligent”. It will let you know if you should have your flash on or if your hand is too shaky or if you should maybe re-focus. Naturally, in manual mode it let’s you do what you want. I can’t emphasise how easy this thing is to use. The gorlfriend just doesn’t meld with techno gadgets and in 5 minutes she was having a blast taking photos and movies like a pro. Protecting files is SIMPLE and it means you’ll never delete anything by mistake.

- xD CARD: A new card system, it’s tiny and SUPER FAST compared to other memory cards/sticks. It saved a 60 second video in 2 seconds!! This used to take an age on some other cards. XD will also go up to 1GB eventually.

- FEATURES: The MANAUL settings have plenty of options from white balance, aperture, flash strength, EV (whatever that is) to sharpness control. The PORTRAIT mode is what I like. Pre-settings for night shots, sports shots, landscape and human portraits. AUTO mode takes the best picture 90% of the time I have found. You need to really know what you’re doing to fiddle on the manual settings.

- ZOOM: The fun factor. The big ass 228mm is brilliant. You can get REAL close to things. I think Fuji made the right choice sticking to 228mm Vs the Oly C-730 at 380mm because the user reviews show the Oly has problems past 250mm because the lens is not stabilized, hence pics are blurry. I STRONGLY recommend not settling for the standard “38-105mm” lens on 99% of point and shoot digicams. 228mm is a lot of fun.

- WEIGHT 400 odd grams with the batteries. Incredibly light. The hand grip is great too, very easy to take shots with one hand.

- ZOOM + PAN Once you’ve taken your shot you can zoom RIIIIIIIIGHT in and see detail. Eg. I took a shot of a radio from 10 feet and zoomed right in to see the notches on the dial!!!!!! You can then pan around the shot as well.


CONS:
- SIZE: For what it does (it’s almost a SLR really) and such a huge lens, it’s compact. In saying that, the previous model with the same lens was smaller. It’s not so much the size but the boxy shape makes it difficult to put in your pocket for say a night out. It doesn’t fit in the gorlfriends hand bag unless she’s using the large one. This reduces the “fun factor” because you’re less likely to take it out for social photos. The Olympus has a larger lens and is wider but less boxy …… I prefer that shape. In saying that, the boxy shape of the fuji means it is extremely easy to take pics with one hand and it’s super stable.

- ISO: ISO is frozen at 100. Would like a 200 and 400 option even though I am not sure what it does yet!

- BURST MODE: Only 2 consecutive shots, the Oly has 12. Much better.

- VIDEO OUT There isn’t one. I’d like to view movies on the TV or
slide show pics. Again the Oly C-730 has this.

- CONSTRUCTION: It feels very fragile, that may just be the light weight though. The front dial is WAY TOO easy to hit by mistake and change your mode.

- MOVIE ZOOM is only digital so you lose resolution. A real pain not to use the optical zoom on the movie mode.

- BATTERIES EXCELENT compared to other digicams but still woeful. The company that designs a camera that lasts a LONG time on 4 batteries will make a fortune.

OTHER BITS AND BOBS:

- SLR?? I honestly can’t see why you’d need a genuine SLR. They are bigger, heavier and trickier. Imaging is meant t be FUN and as mentioned, the Fuji is already too big for me. Unless you’re a dead set pro I just can’t see why you’d need more manual settings???? Unless you have an age to shoot each shot you won’t use them anyway. IMHO a mid range camera is the best compromise.

- DIGITAL FUN: Look if you’re considering digital it’s worth the money. It is SO MUCH FUN to have instant gratification of seeing the photo right away, no fiddly film, and you only print the pics you like not waste half a roll of 36 exposures ‘cos they’re crap. The movie mode is a blast and REALLY adds to the product, to capture moments with such spontaneity is brilliant fun. Being spontaneous is what it’s all about and it let’s you do that ‘cos you don’t feel like you’re “wasting film” so you snap like mad. You become a better photographer too because you can instantly see what you’re manual settings do vs the wait on traditional film.

Assuming the 4x6 prints come out as good as I am told they do, I will be very, very happy with this.
Alfisti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2002, 2:06 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 340
Default

Here is a macro shot, it's been drasticaly reduced in size so the orange loos blurred a tad, looks a lot better in full size.

Alfisti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16, 2002, 7:10 AM   #10
AW
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 2
Default

I don't think you'll find a better camera for the money. Below is a link to a macro shot of a hibiscus. This was within 15 minutes out of the box.

http://web.wtez.net/a/w/aw55455/1hib.jpg


Take the time to learn the features and limits of the camera before dumping it. Take people's negative review of the camera with a grain of salt.
AW is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:59 PM.