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Old Sep 8, 2005, 12:32 PM   #1
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Comparisons of these 8 cameras in 2 different matrix:

FUJI S9000, KM A200, NIKON 8800, PANASONIC DZ30

CANON Pro 1, SAMSUNG PRO 815, KODAK P880, SONY R-1






FUJIFILM S9000 (Not yet reviewed by Steve)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fuji_finepixs9000z.asp
http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3106












SAMSUNG Digimax Pro 815 (Not yet reviewed by Steve) -
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ung_pro815.asp

http://www.samsungcamera.com/product...&cat_uid=9






KONICA MINOLTA A200 (Steve's review)http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...dimagea200.asp



PANASONIC Lumix FZ30 (Not yet reviewed by Steve) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ic_dmcfz30.asp




KODAK P880/P850 (Steve's review) - http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kodak_p880.asp- http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kodak_p850.asp




NIKON COOLPIX 8800 (Steve's review) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...kon_cp8800.asp




CANON Powershot Pro 1 (Steve's review) -http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...canon_pro1.asp




SONY DSC-R1 (Steve's review)- http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/





I see this post as a list rather than a discussion. Please feel free to add new cameras or links but no text.

We can always create additional threads as a multi-cameras comparison would go in too many directions...
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Old Sep 8, 2005, 6:47 PM   #2
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Hello All,

Regarding the S9000 to me:

More pixels enable more cropping.

Image Stabilization is useless for moving subjects.

28 mm to 300 mm equivalent on a DSLR would cost +- $800 for low end glass, $2,500 +- for top quality glass.

Sync at ALL speeds !!! PC socket!!!!

Regarding the Sony R-1:

My head started spinning reading all about the new $1000 Sony R-1 today.

I finally settled down and decided I will get my S9000 for all the sound reasons I had in my head when I woke up today (you may remember that I am a Sony F-828 user).

The Sony R-1 may lead Fuji to an APS sized Super CCD camera.
The S9000 will put me in a good position, for only $700, to sit back and let the market go by until the quality gets so good that I would then upgrade.
I am not in this position with my present F-828.

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Kodak P880 - not quite there yet, ISO too low, zoom too short.

KM and Nikon - the old noisy Sony 8MP sensor (same as F-828 without the four colour filter.

FZ30 - close but no ciger, doesn't cover wide angle, doesn't have high ISO

Sony R1- Wow!!!, a Digicam with a DSLR sensor, but it is large and does have a limited zoom range due to the much larger lens necessary for the much larger sensor. I would definitely consider this one but for the price I could geta DSLR body to use with my existing lenses. I hope this trend continues however.

I still think that, for $300 less, the Fuji is still a better value, but an APS-C sensor certainly puts this Sony in a whole new league.

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Hello Ira and All,

Two years ago my friend, upon learning that I bought an F-828, told me "Nick, Sony is good but they never follow through with their products'.

Over time I have learned what he meant. Sony would not want to dominate the Prosumer market since they sell their 2/3 8MP sensors to everybody else.

The F-828 takes 10 seconds to save a RAW image, does not have a real pulse to its flash hot shoe. They built-in an unspecified delay in the flash pulse to third party flashes. ( yes, please believe me on this one). These are a couple of issues I belieive Sony was satisfied with not correcting so as to make room for the other camera companies who purchase their 2/3" sensor.

Now Sony introduces the R-1, with slow Raw write speed,and a 6 second flash recycle time. This indicates that Sony intends to sell the R-1 chip to the other camera companies just as they did with the F-828. In addition Sony does not want the new R-1 to kill business for their soon to be announced DSLR. So they leave out some capabilities for the R-1.

With the 5th Generation Super CCD, Fuji doesn't need Sony.

I'm getting the S9000 to update my F-828.

It is perfect for me with its specs at the $700 price point. Thanks Fuji.

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Monza76 wrote:
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Sony R1- Wow!!!, a Digicam with a DSLR sensor, but it is large and does have a limited zoom range due to the much larger lens necessary for the much larger sensor. I would definitely consider this one but for the price I could geta DSLR body to use with my existing lenses. I hope this trend continues however.

I still think that, for $300 less, the Fuji is still a better value, but an APS-C sensor certainly puts this Sony in a whole new league.
As far as the "limited zoom range" is concerned, it depends, as always, on your point of view and on your style of shooting. I've got a 70-300mm zoom lens for my SLR and in the past 7 years have made only a handful of photos using it. I'm not really into wildlife photography and other applications I haven't found out yet. For the most I use my 28-70mm 2.8 lens, which, on some occasions, I'd wish to start at 24mm. So, for me, this 24-120mm seems to fit the way I shoot perfectly.

The reason I don't want a DSLR is that, apart from being sick of changing lenses,I badly need a live preview. I'm into building an underwater case and that live preview is a must!

@nick: So far, I was absolutely set on buying the s9000, provided that the upcoming reviews turn out positive (btw: buying a camera like this without waiting for reviews and user comments is IMO a bit careless). Albeit somewhat disappointed by some features/samles I think the s9000 will be a very good camera for its price.

BUT:thank god I'm not fuji-blinded so I've still got an eye open for alternatives, and that Sony R1 seems to be just that - a very very interesting and promising camera which might suit my needs just a bit better. We're getting a kid in february (lots of time till then) so I'm not overhasty and over autumn and xmas I'll be reading reviews, reading comments, viewing samples, etc.

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nymano wrote:
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We're getting a kid in february (lots of time till then) so I'm not overhasty and over autumn and xmas I'll be reading reviews, reading comments, viewing samples, etc.
So you will buy a nice prosumer camera for Xmas and to celebrate that, you will get a kid in Feb - as a shooting (with camera only) subject - , after having read reviews on mother's post-birth depression, sleepless nights and other user feedbacks... :?
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Hello Nymano,

Its notthat I am "Fuji-blinded", but I am -"S9000 specs and printed downloaded 8x10 prints convinced"- that I will not go wrong with the S9000 and that it will be more than an excellent replacement for my F-828.

The S9000 is also a very quick camera.

Check out this hands on preview of the S9000 and the editor's comments:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/re...s9000_EN1.html



Congratulations on your coming baby in February.

This R-1 "First Look Review" specifically reports on a pre-prooduction model of the new Sony R-1, and covers its ability to photograph curious, ever moving little ones:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/R1/R1A.HTM

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While nick is comparing the S9000 vs F828, I believe someone posted a non-USA site for the "upcoming" F939 from Sony...either it was a fake, or there is about to be a 939, since the posters stated that the 828 was no longer in production...or is the R1 really what the 939 was going to be???...comments???
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Hi guys,¬*I've been reading and watching the S9000 threads pretty closely, as I seriously considered previously the KM A2 until I heard about the S9000, well¬* I think I've found something that sounds even better although it is a little lesser known name - Samsung.This new camera sounds extremely promising, considering it has 28m-420m range, along with Schneider lens (which is a VERY good lens, btw) also has a huge 3.5" LCD!!Heres the link, check it out:http://www.samsungcamerausa.com/prod...p;navtab=specs
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marsha7 wrote:
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While nick is comparing the S9000 vs F828, I believe someone posted a non-USA site for the "upcoming" F939 from Sony...either it was a fake, or there is about to be a 939, since the posters stated that the 828 was no longer in production...or is the R1 really what the 939 was going to be???...comments???
I did ... but I just realize that maybe the DSC-F939 won't be named like that but DSC-R1... Can't tell more. :?

See this link where I got that from: http://www.global-dvc.org/Sony%20DSC-F939.htm

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