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Old Nov 23, 2005, 9:55 AM   #51
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Hi Clyde,

I have spent many monthsteaching myselfthe use of the priority, program& manual settings, and the different results that can be achieved through them, on my S5500. Point is though, my 5500 produced excellent results straight out of the box in Auto mode - and still does, despite my ham fisted ways.I think that's the point Rick is making and Iagree with him - the 9500 shouldperform in the same way.
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Old Nov 23, 2005, 10:48 AM   #52
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Amen to the Steve the Semi and fully manual modes are there to allow you to get creative with the camera not to work round any problems the camera may have. The mistakes people make with PASM are generally in the exposure and DOF areas unless you use Manual focus any focusing issues have to be a fault in the camera or if the Autofocusing cannot cope which is generally made know to the user by the camera colour problems can be created by the end users especially if you mess around with the white balance but this type of fault is usually pretty obvious (colour casts etc).



To repeat what you said the S9500 should/must be able to produce consistant and acceptable results in Automode if not any user migrating from a simple P&S is just going to get depressed and either form the wrong opinion of either their own abilities or those of the camera. Agreed you do have to learn to get anything more from the camera but what hope of that is there if the baseline has the potential to be so poor.

Nobody I know or have Iseen on these forums has ever dismissed this camera out of hand on the basis or the negative comments mentioned nor should they! However it is vital to make people aware there there ARE cameras out there with these issues and if possible point out the potential areas these issues are in.

I predict that this will all become a non event in the near future as it seem obvious that most of the problems are with earlier models and Fuji will have addressed this in current production.



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I am slowly convincing myself that the D50 is my future purchase however I may be able to hang onto the S9500 (lucky me).
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Old Nov 23, 2005, 11:19 AM   #53
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Andy, if you get a 9500 that works the way its supposed to, you might well behappy to hang on to it.

I'mseriously beginning to re-think this whole issue- maybe there is a more wide spread problem thatis unwittingly beingaccomodatedby the "get to know the camera first" lobby. Also, the amount of PP that is being advised to get a decent result seems somewhat odd.

At the end of the day thecamera should work perfectlyin its most basic mode, straight out of the box. Unless of course Fuji are aiming the camera at a limited target market of experienced users who never use Auto, which wouldn't make much commercial sense - norisit impliedin theirmarketing pitch.

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Old Nov 23, 2005, 11:54 AM   #54
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I'mseriously beginning to re-think this whole issue- maybe there is a more wide spread problem thatis unwittingly beingaccomodatedby the "get to know the camera first" lobby. Also, the amount of PP that is being advised to get a decent result seems somewhat odd.

I'm wittnessing the same unfortunate behavior on the Sony Forum at dpreview. Apparently, some Sony R1 users have been experiencing problems with focusing in low light. Other users come up with counterproductive statements such as "mine works fine so your problem must be a user error! learn the camera!". Not very helpful.

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Hi Nymano, just went and had a look - I see what you mean, very similar opinions being expressed from all sides.
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Yes I was very excited about the new fuji 9000 comeing out and when we got it in at the camera store I threw a card in it and started takeing pictures. The numbers sounded great! I was very disapointed with the quality of the images compared to my S7000. After a lot of homework on the canon 20d and the nikon d70 (being able to use them both at the store I work at) I just bought a new Nikon D50 last week and totaly love it! With the $$$ I saved with that caera i was able to get 2 very nice lens and a gig scandisk card and bag,uv filter and a extra battery. i think your on the right track there if thats what your thinking of doing. Im getting such clear clean pictures with this camera. Its so exciteing. I just want to go shot with it all day every day. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Old Nov 23, 2005, 8:01 PM   #57
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Hi DocX



I know what you mean about the D50 I've only done indoor stuff at the moment due to it been too dark and cold when I get home from work but come the weekend I shall be out and about in an effort to fill the memory card whatever the weather. Hmmmsnow sounds like a good test of the 3d matrix metering system. Just the flash tests and low light pics I've taken so far have convinced me that in PQ terms alone the D50 is ahead. But I will miss some features of the S9500 and indeed IF I can afford it I will keep both cameras as I think they may both have a place in my Bag(s).
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I've said this once or twice before: If image quality and high ISO are what you want but you don't want to go the DSLR road, then the Sony R1 might be interesting (unless you're into telephotos) - DSLR-near image quality, wide zoom, excellent lens and optics (but also mediocre autofocus, burst mode and slow timing).

I'm looking at both S9000 and R1 and I'll probably decide in january. But then again, who knows what I'll find underneath my christmas tree...

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Hi Andy, You've got me thinking now. My local dealer's offering me a special in the D50with the 18-55and either 55-200 or 70-300 additional lens, at a very good price indeed. Had the chance to spend a lot of time this morning playing with both the 9500 & the D50.I'm not going to fall into the trap of drawing comparisons but suffice to say the D50 is reluctantly becominga consideration - and not one I had ever had in mind because I really don't want the lens hassle and the 9500 has everything Ineed 'all in one'. What I'm finding really strange though, is that I have not found anyenthusiasm for the 9500 in any ofthe outlets I frequentand these are specialist shops who stock a lot of Fuji products,and not large 'stores' (it's not an attempt to "sell upward" either as I was only offered the D50 after I suggested it).The jury has gone into recess to deliberate further!


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Steve All I can say is SORRY SORRY SORRY.:G Also apologies to other forum members hijacking forums for other brands is not my normal style. I will in future stick to the S9500 in this forum and take my Nikon waffle where it belongs.
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