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Old Feb 11, 2006, 10:28 AM   #11
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Pic 2 attached with all the data.... FLASH was used.
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Old Feb 11, 2006, 10:30 AM   #12
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I will take pics with the ISO turned to Auto and see how it performs. Thanks a ton. Anyhow, let me know what you make of the data in the new pics.
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Old Feb 11, 2006, 11:09 AM   #13
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Any reason why you're using Sports Scene for everything?

You received an Auto Exposure Warning prior to taking the 1st shot...I'm surprised it came out as well as it did. It probably should have been taken at 1/500, F5.6, and ISO 64 (or something like that)...you made the camera use 1/2000, F9, and ISO 400. The second shot should have been at ISO 200, instead of ISO 400...you made the camera use ISO 400, thereby increasing the visible grain.

Bottom line, from what I have seen, is that you are the problem, not the camera. Don't feel bad, a lot of people start playing around with settings, thinking they're doing the right thing, when in reality, they are preventing their camera from taking the quality pics that it is capable of. Try putting the command dial on AUTO, and set the sensitivity to AUTO, and blast away. I think you'll find the quality of the pics to your liking. Make adjustments to the default settings when situations arise that prevent AUTO from making acceptable shots, such as sporting or other action events, low light or night photos.

Post some new pics when you have time.

Good luck.

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Old Feb 11, 2006, 11:33 AM   #14
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Wow... All that from a couple of pics? I didn't know it gave you all that info... A jpg tells you warnings too? Abnyhow, I will follow your guidelines and see what Iget.I guess I should read the manual before I mess with the controls. Thank you so very much for that detailed explanation. Later....
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Old Feb 11, 2006, 12:42 PM   #15
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Wow... All that from a couple of pics? I didn't know it gave you all that info... A jpg tells you warnings too? Abnyhow, I will follow your guidelines and see what Iget.I guess I should read the manual before I mess with the controls. Thank you so very much for that detailed explanation. Later....

I find it amazing that many users of most any product fail to study their owner's manual until all else fails. You can avoid a lot of lost time and inconvienence by simply reading/studying the manual prior to using features on a product, regardless of whether ir is a camera, microwave oven, or a computer. Learn about your equipment and you will likely get much better results than "flying by the seat of your pants".

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Old Feb 11, 2006, 2:22 PM   #16
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I find it amazing that many users of most any product fail to study their owner's manual until all else fails.
Clyde, I second that (RTFM)

I too am staggered by the amount of people who discard the manual along with the wrappings. At first I thought people were being sarcastic when they said they hadn't consulted the manual butI soon came to realise that they were deadly serious in this assertionThe cherry on the icing was when I saw a whole discussion taking place on how to put on and take off the 9000's lens hood (apologies to the participants in that particular discussion, but really ..........:roll: )
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Old Feb 12, 2006, 8:10 AM   #17
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Hi Steve,

I see it every day too, I'm a moderator/forum specialist on a music synthesizer group of forums, we've learned there that the first question to ask when someone is having problems is whether or not they have an owner's manual. A high percentage of the questions asked can be answered by reading the manual, but this seems to be the last choice of people asking questions. On Dpreview's printer forum there are a couple of threads going on about someone buying a new HP printer (8250 I think it was) and are getting "horrible results", quite different from my own results with an HP 8 ink printer, of course they also have a fairly new FZ30 as well as some new Adobe software, obviously have not completely read the manual for anything and insist that the printer is at fault (they are on their second HP printer, both were "defective" haha), have been given lot's of good advice and troubleshooting tips, now are trying out an Epson printer (guess what, still bad prints!), simply refuse to learn about their equipment and/or optimize each part of it and instead blame the manufacturer. When I first got my S7000, I read/studied the owner's manual from cover to cover several times, indeed it stays in my camera bag as areference tool in case I have a question when I'm out and about.

I see you are still getting some very nice S9000 pics, I'm not ready to upgrade yet and may even wait for the S9000's sucessor as my S7k still performs well, but the additional features of the S9x00 cams are tempting!

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Why are you so amazed and staggered? A large percentage of the world's population is technically challenged...they can't comprehend why you would ever want to doubleclick a mouse or why you would ever consider adjusting the aperture of a camera to change the depth of field...what's aperture?...what's depth of field? To spend hours reading a manual that talks about ISO, F-stops, exposure compensation, white balance, aperture, and synchro, and is full of abbreviations like DPOF, S-AF, and +1/3EV, would be like you reading a manual written in a foreign language. Little if anything would be gained - it would be a complete waste of time. Some people look at the manual only to find out where to insert the batteries and memory cards, and how to turn the camera on. Some people know absolutely nothing about photography, and don't want to learn - they just want to take great pictures.

The camera manufacturers have fueled this level of ignorance by providing cameras that are "fully automatic", "easy to use", "point and shoot"...in other words, you don't need any knowledge about photography to produce professional quality pictures. They add "scene" and "special effects" modes to compensate for lack of photographic knowledge. "Our camera has 57 special modes to help you take great pictures - night mode, sunrise and sunset mode, vacation mode, full moon mode, solar eclipse mode, shot through a window mode, reptiles and amphibians mode, pickles in a jar mode, etc." If it sells cameras, why not? Unfortunately, consumers now expect to open a box, take out the camera, insert batteries, turn it on, press the big button on top, drop the entire camera into a dock, push a button, and print a picture...and expect to get something that looks like it came out of National Geographic. If it doesn't, the camera must be defective. They see no difference between a $138 P&S and a $7,000 DSLR, other than size and complexity.

Some people can't tell the difference between a good picture and a bad picture. They think every picture they take is good. Some people are unhappy with their pictures, so they come here looking for help. We can either criticize them or try to help them. It can be frustrating, especially when many of these individuals have done absolutely nothing to help themselves, but then again, if everyone was an expert photographer, this forum wouldn't exist.

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You hit the nail on the head. These things have become too complex for ordinary person to figure out. The manual itself needs dedication and time from the user for any real benefit. It's like how I used to be able to overhaul engines so easily 15 years ago; and now, for a simple tuneup I have to take my carto the shop.

I used to be an avid all-manual photographer (B&W) with my pre-1960 Voigtlaender (that I found in the attic); but that was a long time ago andlife has this habit of taking over when you're not looking....

Nonetheless, here are some pics. I'll be posting 3 in Auto mode and 1 with Manual focusing. Thank you for your support again.
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