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Old Aug 24, 2006, 3:41 AM   #1
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I see that the S9100/S9600 has been announced and that it offers a number of 'minor' improvements over the S9000/S9500. I wonder if we'll see a firmware upgrade for the S9000/S9500 to give us at least some of the new features? It's very rare for Fuji to issue firmware upgrades but you never know....
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Old Aug 24, 2006, 6:30 AM   #2
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I was wondering the same mate.

What extra features does the 9100 have? To me it just look's like the same camera but with a firmware upgrade!

I also wonder if the wide angle lens available for the S6000 will also fit and work ok on the S9500?




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Old Aug 24, 2006, 7:16 AM   #3
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I just looked at the specs on the Fuji website. Here are the differences I can see:

Improvement file compression. On the 9000, it is impossible to save a single RAW file on a 16 MB card. On the 9100, it is possible to save 13 RAW images on a 16 MB card. The JPEG format has similar improvements.

The Fuji hyper-utility software for processing RAW images is included with the camera. Previously it had to be purchased, $100.

Fuji is offering a wide-angle auxiliary lens. On the 9000 Fuji did not recommend using auxiliary lenses.

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Old Aug 24, 2006, 7:54 AM   #4
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Improvement file compression. On the 9000, it is impossible to save a single RAW file on a 16 MB card. On the 9100, it is possible to save 13 RAW images on a 16 MB card. The JPEG format has similar improvements.
How can they possibly get thirteen 9 Mpixel images on a 16 Mbyte card? Only way I can see is if the scenes were uniformly colored and they used some kind of JPEG-like compression algorithm.
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Old Aug 24, 2006, 8:01 AM   #5
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I'm obviously not looking at the same place on fujifilm.com as you jphess but the comparision chart for the cameras and the performance chart for the S9600 only shows JPEG as a file format - CCD RAW which appears on the others isn't shown as an option for the S9600.

Given the nature of a RAW file compressing it from 18MB to 1.2MB (if 13 are to fit a 16MB card) is an enormous compression ratio - I would be surprised if this was possible without the data loss that RAW is supposed to avoid. As I understand it RAW data is simply the levels from all of the pixels not processed in any way by the camera - it would be possible to compress such files (using WinZip or similar) but they would then need to be uncompressed before RAW processing software could read them - even then you would only get a compression ratio of 18:1.2 if the image contained almost no detail at all.

Further improvements in JPEG compression would, as far as I am concerned, result in larger files - that is to say a less agressive compression - thats just my opinion anyway.
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Old Aug 24, 2006, 8:53 AM   #6
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The 9100 / 9600 is probably just a 9000 / 9500 minus some glitches and an improved firmware.



looks a bit of a rip off to me, on the face of it.








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Old Aug 24, 2006, 10:51 AM   #7
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Below is a link to the web page containing the specs for the S9100. The sixth item in the list tells how many files of the different formats will fit on a 16 MB card. I agree that this looks like very aggressive file compression. And I'm wondering if it will have any impact on image quality. I suppose only time will tell.

The size of the RAW images has been my main complaint about the S9000. I thought 18 MB was just a little unreasonable when a Nikon RAW file from a 6 MP DSLR use only about 5 MB. But I hope Fuji hasn't gone too far in the other direction now.

http://www.fujifilmusa.com/JSP/fuji/...ltype=dataspec
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Old Aug 24, 2006, 11:04 AM   #8
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mansell wrote: I don't know that it's a rip off. But I don't think it's a camera to "move up to" if you already have a 9000/9500. The lens appears to be the same, as do the features of the camera. Like someone mentioned previously, it seems that the Fuji could provide a firmware upgrade that would give the 9000/9500 the same file compression features. The Hyper-utility software program has been available for purchase at $100, and it's included with the new camera. To my knowledge, it has only been offered with the S3 previously. So, if the camera is priced right, it would be a good upgrade for someone with a smaller camera. But personally, there is nothing to motivate me to upgrade. I have enough cards now to handle any shooting situation I encounter.
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The 9100 / 9600 is probably just a 9000 / 9500 minus some glitches and an improved firmware.



looks a bit of a rip off to me, on the face of it.







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Old Aug 24, 2006, 4:44 PM   #9
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maybe a bit harsh saying it's a rip off, but to me it looks more or less the same camera (ok with a two inch lcd).

I agree that for somebody who doesn't have a 9500 it could be a good investment, however if it's going to retail for £500 like the 9500 did when it first came out then a DSLR would be a better bet, I only paid £320 for my 9500 and I wouldn't have paid any more.

it's now £305 in the uk, that'sa bargain.
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So the secret is, unless you are one of these people who absolutely has to have the latest, wait for a few months because it will save you a significant amount of money.

I don't think Fuji is trying to get current users of the 9000/9500 to move up to this camera. It seems to me that they are making minor changes and evaluating their impact on the sale to new users. Then, eventually, I think they will probably come out with a whole new series that pushes the envelope a little further. Disclaimer!! That is only my opinion.
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