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fuji 3800 3meg 6x optical zoom point and shoot circa 2002
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fuji 3800 macro
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KM 7D w/ 80-200mm f2.8 APO
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fldspringer wrote:
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The problem with web posted images was pointed out by many people here - that web posts are not the best way to test image quality. This is why I offered to make a large print and send it to him. In average situations, good P&S cameras have good image quality. But once you throw something more challenging at a P&S it falls down. You *can* get flight shots with a P&S, but it's much harder - I don't find it that hard with my setup. Or low light shots where higher ISO is needed. Making larger prints can really starts to show their flaws. It's kinda like saying that commuting in a sports car is the same as commuting in a mini-van. Basically the same, when you aren't pushing them. But try to take the off-ramp on the highway at 80 and you'll see the difference. The D40 is not that good a DSLR. It has advanced P&S innards (except for the sensor.) Heck, it costs less than some P&S so it can't have that many advanced parts. The D200 would be a better thing to test (although since the statement was that *all DSLR* were inferior you should be looking at the best DSLRs. His argument is basically "I can take good pictures with a P&S, therefor they are better than a DSLR". I have no problems say that he can take good pictures. I have no problems saying that a P&S can take good pictures. They can even take better pictures than a DSLR in certain situations (because of their larger DOF.) But that doesn't make them inherently better in all situations. As I say when I teach. Photography gear is partially about standards. Buy the gear that meets you standards and have fun. Use the extra money for fun trips (where you can shoot pictures!) You don't inherently need to spend lots of money to get good pictures. But as you get better, as your standards rise and as you try to capture harder situations you might find your gear isn't up to the task. Once that happens, then upgrade. You don't have to upgrade to a DSLR, just get what meets your standards. Sigh. I can feel my blood boiling again. I should just stop now. Eric ps. Since he posted a picture of a Purple Gallinule, I am going to assume that he is in Florida (where the majority of those birds live.) Maybe he was just visting, though. Photography is much easier down there. I've shot down there before. It is easier to get good pictures there because the birds are less afraid of people. The light is also better. You can get away with a shorter lens. He'd quickly find that his P&S didn't have enough reach shooting further north. I almost never say "I want a shorter lens" when I shoot in MA. On several occasions (in just one week) I found my 600mm too long for the shots that I wanted. |
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Keoeeit,
I noticed you've dodged my questions/photo challenge. An award winning photographer should have these simple shots laying around. Is there any reason in particular you ignore the request and decide to post another unrelated shot? Just curious. |
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OK now wait va minite.. Though I agree that people over state the saperiority of DSLR's This statement makes no sense
"The burst shots? I can equal your camera's speed and even surpass your camera in RAW photos on my S3 IS at a RAW frame every 1.2 seconds." I can shoot a frame rate of 1.2 fps with my film camera cocking the shutter manualy. Thats not burst it's bust. OK you are talking RAW not JPG but why would anyone even use burst at such a slow frame rate. Burst is not needed at all to get good sports shots. Timing is way more important. But lets at least keep the conversation real. |
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First off "You do realize John's indoor basketball shots were taken in pretty much the same light," Not likely. A HS basketball court should be quite a bit brighter than the adverage living room. Second "HAND HELD for 1 SECOND with the zoom focal-length set at 432mm" Way not likely. You would have a blured mess even with IS |
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a. His digicams are completely incapable of coming close to duplicating the shot and b. Unlike the vcr example,mineis a real life example. Like it or not ISO 1600, 2.0 and 1/400. Still waiting to see how his digicam does with that. What it doesn't have 2.0 lens? OOH too bad. You mean the ISO 1600 performance is about my iso 200 performance? OOOH too bad. It isn't theory it's real world. And it's shots I make money off every day while people like him can only watch from the stands and hope the action stops long enough for them to get a usable shot of someone standing still:G |
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