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Old Sep 6, 2007, 5:30 PM   #1
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dSLRs are very nice; but not always convenient enough. It seems like red-eye is the curse of point and shoot cameras. the built-in flashes are TOO close to the lens so the flash comes straight back to the lens from the retina. Red-eye suppression systems (pre-flash...) not with standing (and the shutter delay is just too long), most point and shoot digital cameras seem designed to maximize red-eye. Does anyone know of a high quality digital non-dSLR camera with an optical viewfinder that does something intelligent to mitigate red-eye?
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Old Sep 6, 2007, 6:46 PM   #2
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If you're using built-in flash, your best bet is to instruct the subjects to look a foot or two to your right/left. This will minimize the red eye and still make it look like the subjects are facing you.
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Old Sep 6, 2007, 7:54 PM   #3
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Basically no.

Even with a dSLR that has built in flash you will find that red eye is reduced from a P&S and more so with an external flash mounted. The ultimate is to have a flash bracket but with external flash you can bounce it off of the ceiling or use a Stofen or make a better bounce card, all of which soften the light by making it less directional which reduces red eye.

If youstick witha P&S, put an external flash on and you have the abovebenefits (although it looks a little silly). Red eye is caused by the iris of the eye being open wide and the light from the flash hitting the back of the retina and reflecting straight back to the lens. Increasing the angle is the quickest way to reduce this. Making the subject look away from the camera is fine however it does look funny in most shots. Red eye reduction's preflash causes the iris to close down thus reducing the amount of light entering the eye so less light can be reflected back.

Depending on what you want to do, software is very good at getting rid of red eye now if it is an issue.
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Old Sep 9, 2007, 8:46 PM   #4
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dSLRs are very nice; but not always convenient enough. It seems like red-eye is the curse of point and shoot cameras. the built-in flashes are TOO close to the lens so the flash comes straight back to the lens from the retina. Red-eye suppression systems (pre-flash...) not with standing (and the shutter delay is just too long), most point and shoot digital cameras seem designed to maximize red-eye. Does anyone know of a high quality digital non-dSLR camera with an optical viewfinder that does something intelligent to mitigate red-eye?
The only digicam makersthat do anything intelligent to mitigate redeye are the ones that offer a hot shoe on at least some of their modelsto utilize an external flash. As you've probably already experienced, "Redeye Reduction" is one of the more useless "features" you can rarely rely on to actually work.

Even if you eliminate redeye, be it with internal processing or afterwards on the computer, built-in flash units still leave you with something I hate just as bad...the most awful, unflattering lighting you could possiblyinflict on people.

Get yourself something like a Canon G5, S5is or Panasonic FZ50. Even though it'sbigger than the two Canons, the FZ50, with it's built-in 35-420mm zoom weighs less than my OlympusE300 DSLR.... without any lens mounted. Stick an Olympus FL36 or FL50 flash on itwith an Omni Bounce flash attachment and you can get natural-looking flash images like these, instead of the deer-in-the-headlights look of a built-in flash..








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