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Old Sep 20, 2003, 12:20 AM   #1
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Default Hard Choice: Canon S400 or Sony P10? Please help!

Hey, I am considering purchasing either the Canon S400 or Sony P10. I am looking to spend 400 or less. I was also considering the Canon A70, which one do you experts think I should go with? ANy advice with be greatly appreciated. have a nice day. :roll:
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Old Sep 20, 2003, 9:34 AM   #2
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My vote would be for the Canon S400.

In a pocketable size camera, you may also want to consider the new Konica Revio KD-510z (not the old Konica KD-500z).

The newer model is a complete overhaul of the firmware/feature set, and now includes user adjustable ISO speed (50, 100, 200,400), adjustable contrast, saturation, sharpness, color (red, green and blue channels), manual exposure (aperture/shutter speed), longer exposures (up to 15 seconds), noise reduction on exposures 1/2 second or longer, and more.

I looked at lots of pocketable cameras, including the Sony DSC-P10, Olympus Stylus 400, Canon S400, Minolta F300, and more.

I actually bought the Sony DSC-P10, but was not satisified with it's metering and color, so I returned it. I bought a Japanese Model of the KD-510z (since it was not shipping here yet), and I've been very pleased with it.

This camera was recently introduced in the U.S. as the Minolta DiMAGE G500 too (identical, except for the Minolta logo).

The Konica's rapid 1.3 second startup time is great -- making it ready to take a photo "on a moments notice".

The Konica KD-510z should hit the shelves in the Europe within the next week or so. It's being sold strictly in Asia now.

The Minolta G500 (to the best of my knowledge) is only shipping in the U.S. now.

Both cameras (which are identical, except for the difference in the logo) should eventually hit all markets.

You can see my opinion of the Sony DSC-P10 here:


You can see my opinion of the new Konica KD-510z here:


Some photos from my new camera are here:


In a 4 Megapixel "Pocketable Camera", I think the Canon S400 is currently the best choice available, by far, and has plenty of resolution for most users.

Also, because the 4 Megapixel 1/1.8" CCD in the Canon S400 is less dense than the 5 Megapixel 1/1.8"CCD used in some of the newer 5 Megapixel Cameras, it should also have less noise.

For example: the Canon S50 has more noise than the Canon S45; the Olympus C-5050z has more noise than the C-4040z, the Canon G5 has more noise than the Canon G3.

Although a 5 Megapixel 1/1.8" CCD may give you slightly more detail, the tradeoff is increased noise. Most users would be perfectly happy with the 4 Megapixel CCD used in a camera like the S400 instead, since it has plenty of resolution for larger print sizes, with lower noise.

On the plus side for the Sony DSC-P10, it is relatively fast camera in good light outdoors, but it's low light performance is very lacking -- despite it's focus assist lamp, and I wouldn't want to live with it's metering inconsistencies personally.

Users of the Canon S400 seem very pleased with their camera choice. I would pick it over the Sony DSC-P10 any day of the week -- even if the P10 was being offered at a much lower price (which it's not). Based on my experience with the P10, you couldn't give me one, if I had to use it as my only camera.

Others may feel differently. I'm just giving you my opinion of it, based on my experience with it.

As far as the A70, it does offer a lot in the manual control department. Personally, I have not been impressed with the performance of the small 1/2.7" CCD in this camera. Again, the density of the CCD (pixels/square inch) can impact photo quality and noise levels. I much prefer the larger .55" 3 Megapixel CCD's used in some of the older mode 3 Megapixel Cameras.

The new A80 (which should start shipping sometime in the near future), will offer the larger 1/1.8" 4 Megapixel CCD, as used in the S400, G3 and other 4 Megapixel models.

For now, your best bet in a smaller camera (IMO), in the 4 Megapixel Category, would be the pocketable Canon S400, or the slightly larger Canon S45 if pocketability was not the bigger concern.

In a 5 Megapixel Pocketable Model, I highly recommend the new Minolta DiMAGE G500 (available for around $449 delivered from many online vendors now).
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Old Sep 20, 2003, 4:39 PM   #3
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Very nice post! I lost my Canon S230 last week and was considering a new pocket camera, probably the S400. I've been crawling though digicam sites for opinions on any camera better than the S400 for my needs - compact size, good color, decent 8x10's. I found almost all I needed on your post - very direct, honest, unambiguous and unpretentious.
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