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Old Sep 24, 2003, 9:43 AM   #1
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Default HP 850 - Shapes of photos - Margins on the display

I’ve taken some photos on my HP 850 and after that I just downloaded them to my PC and saved on a CD in order to take them to a Photoshop to be printed. At the Photoshop they printed the photos but there’s always a strip on the top and bottom of the images that wasn’t printed. This happens because the shape of the image that the camera outputs is different from the normal size usually used on Photoshop’s.

I can take my pictures knowing that I cannot use the total space I see on the HP 850 display, but what I would really like is to have some kind of margins on the display that would show me the limits of a normal sized picture.

Is it possible to get that?

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Old Sep 24, 2003, 10:34 AM   #2
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I suspect it is do to the aspect ratio of your camera. Most digitals have a 4X3 aspect ratio for their images. 35mm cameras have a 3X2 ratio. When you have a 4X6 picture printed at the photo shop with the 4X3 ratio then part of the picture will be crop, hence missing strips at the top and bottom of the pic.
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Old Sep 24, 2003, 1:49 PM   #3
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Here is a similiar forum thread that you may want to read through for ideas:

http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=14254

Epson Film Factory has a great image cropping feature, that lets you crop for both aspect ratio and composition (via a crop box, that you can resize and move around the photo, while maintaining the selected aspect ratio.

Unfortunately, even though a 3:2 Aspect Ratio is perfect for a 4x6 print, it's not for other size prints. The only good solution is to crop.

P.S. Some photo printing services (like http://www.photoaccess.com) offer "digital size prints"), so that you don't have to crop. I don't know which other services offer a similiar feature.
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Old Sep 26, 2003, 7:06 AM   #4
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But don’t you know any kind of patch to apply to HP850 in order to get screen margins?

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You would have to contact HP. I know of no firmware update that will allow 3:2 aspect ratio.
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Also, bear in mind that the camera has no way of knowing what print size you'll want print at.

A 3:2 Aspect Ratio is perfect ONLY for 4x6 inch prints. For other sizes, different aspect ratios will be needed.

I referred you to another thread explaining this, but I'll repeat my response here:

--- start of quote from other thread -----

Digital Cameras usually shoot using a 4:3 Aspect Ratio. A 4x6 inch print requires a 3:2 Aspect Ratio (ratio of width to height).

Some cameras do allow you to shoot with a 3:2 aspect ratio instead (they only use part of the sensor -- effectly cropping off the rest), to give you a smaller image output at the correct aspect ratio for printing 4x6 inch prints.

Many camera offer this option (some of the Nikons, Sonys, Canons, etc.) Personally, I never shoot this way. I shoot using 4:3, and crop if needed.

For one thing, if you print at larger than 4x6, you're back with the same problem again, since other print sizes are at a different aspect ratio, and the 4:3 Aspect Ratio used by Digital Cameras, works better for print sizes of 5x7 and 8x10, compared to a 35mm film cameras aspect ratio of 3:2 (which is perfect for 4x6 inch prints, but not for other sizes).

So, shooting at the standard 4:3 Aspect Ratio gives you a larger image size, with more flexibility for a greater variety of print sizes.

Here is a useful chart, that lets you see the percentage of a photo used, at different print sizes, based on the original aspect ratio of the image:

http://home.earthlink.net/~terryleed....htm#frameutil

The best way is to get around the problem, is to crop your prints to the desired aspect ratio for printing. There are MANY tools available that let you do this.

Here is a recent forum thread on dpreview.com discussing solutions to the problem. Some of them are even free:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=6082015

Here's a product that I suggested (not free), in the same forum thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=6086901

-----End of quote from other thread-----

My advise, if you don't already have Epson Film Factory (it ships with many Epson products), download the trial version and try it. Here's the link:

Epson Film Factory

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/F...ctoryHome.jsp?

I use it for printing album pages, etc. It's also got one of the best cropping tools around (allows you to select an aspect ratio, and then move a "crop box" around a photo -- resizing the crop box so that you can crop for image composition, without losing the selected aspect ratio).

I explained how to use this feature in detail in this dpreview.com forum link:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=6086901
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