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Old Jul 6, 2008, 12:30 AM   #21
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i can agree, changeability means flexibility
but complexity related to changeability itself, refers only to parts, provides changeability.
ie - bayonet.

p.s. about 45% new DSLR owner - stick with Kit lens.

and, YES, saying about very, very, very POOR performance of digicam of all class and vendor, not only P&S , DSLR or higher-class tech's.
yes, sometimes it satisfy someone of customer(even me), but averall - still not good, as consumers expect.
moreover, technicaly reachable(and reasonably financially balanced) results - far, far beyond even yesterday's 35 mm film dinosaurs capabilities.
but look back at today market ... freaks show.

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Old Jul 6, 2008, 9:04 AM   #22
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i can agree, changeability means flexibility
but complexity related to changeability itself, refers only to parts, provides changeability.
ie - bayonet.
When a lens can be replaced with another lens, the optical design for both lenses will be more complex than would be necessary if either lens were permanently attached to the camera.
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Old Jul 6, 2008, 10:37 AM   #23
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dufference depend of construction approach, which is depend on marketing policy, which is sounds like "when i can sold more to customer, why i sondn't do it ?".
anway, low-end lens - simply nessairy on DC's market, just as on others - from food to space rocketry.
especially after DSLR hit mass-makek(ie out of Pro or Semi-Pro segment).

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especially after DSLR hit mass-makek(ie out of Pro or Semi-Pro segment).
Just to be clear, do you think that people who currently use simple, pocketable cameras would give them up if they could have an inexpensive dSLR?

SLRs have been around since the 1930's (35mm SLRs that is). Key components of SLRs are mirror boxes, pentaprisms (or some alternative) andfocal plane shutters. These components make SLRs larger, heavierand more complex, and therefore more expensive, than simpler P&S cameras, film or digital, and that's not going to change.

There have been small, relatively inexpensive SLRs in the past (i.e.: Zeiss Ikon Contaflex 126,Minolta 110 Zoom SLR) and all failed in the marketplace.

SLRs will never be mass market items. They're too big, heavy, complex and expensive, and dispite our fondest dreams (yours and mine) it won't happen.
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no, i mean DSLR obsolete at all.
everything is needed to customer - simulary approach designed P&S digicam.
ie - big sensor, capable Ic's,high quality firmware, lens "definitely made not for cameraphone or trashcan usage",and maybe(in mid-end or high end)changeable lens.

and in short: I HATE [D]SLR !!
and epecially pentaprism and mirrors.
whats i really need is - (reasonably good and bright) LCD with LiveView capable software(not all anouced "LV ready" cam means this)and hardware.
end even no EVF replacements for pentaprism for low-end or mid-end models.


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So, what you're really looking for is a digital camera with a large image sensor, 'Live View', and maybe interchangeable lenses, but no pentaprism or mirror box.

Have I got a camera for you!

Take a look at thePanasonic DMC-L1K.
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Old Jul 8, 2008, 10:08 AM   #27
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typically i don't buy Matsushita, except noterbooks or cooler-conditioners(and buldozers).
and for "cary everywhere and everytime" solitions this DC not only expensive and dangerous for owner, but a little heavier and(especially signifiicant) larger.
i mostly looks toward new E-series from Oly and-or [well performing]a-series, new models from Sony.


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Well, be sure and come back and tell us what you finally end up with.
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Old Jul 8, 2008, 9:36 PM   #29
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sure.

p.s. and thanks for advice.

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