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Old Oct 18, 2009, 6:06 PM   #161
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i think this thread is being blown out of proportion somewhat, as has been said many times allready, its ok to contact the police if your concered about something and its ok for the police to investigate. thats what they are for.
the guy saw someone taking a picture of his daughter from a car, he thought it was suspicious, to put his mind at rest he contacted the police, theres nothing wrong with him doing that, another person might not have found it suspicious and done nothing, theres nothing wrong with that either.
you have to respect the persons right to be concerned, even if in your own mind he has no reason for concern
If we consider that the OP's version of events is accurate, and the father is that paranoid, and he tells the police the exact truth of what took place, he is just being silly, but has not done anything worthy of approbium. If the Police follow up on a totally innocent action, they are wasting my money. If the father repeated the OP's story, he is defacto admitting that nothing took place, and the police should politely hang up on him.

I've once again started to take pictures of kids, and I see no reason to recieve phone calls from the police over them. My shots are no more suspicious then his.

I, as I've made clear over the course of this thread, see nothing wrong OR supicious with taking pictures of children OR adults, OR grandmas OR dogs.

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Old Oct 18, 2009, 6:20 PM   #162
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That where it started to not be civil "Fight for Rights" vs 'Why do people cause Problems" I say live and let live and don't bother to control what others do with the pictures they take its not like they have come up with some kind of program that would undress the poor children.. That when we will really need to do something with the ones..unless they have taken some action on the child and they have been following the child around etc...with what ever device into days world. Lets all live in Peace and Harmony Please let start some kind of program send out the fliers to send the message out that we as Photographers love to capture things in the lens that we want to share with he world the same with writing poems that I would love to share with the world my feelings as well freedom of the press includes the photos we take that is what is going on wrong they are trying to close of the Constitution of the United States...and any that see it wrong with taking someones photo on the outside of their own hearth should be found with and anger problem...and fined so the collected fees can go to support the fact findings of why they are angry and Photographers loss of income.
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Let's try this again. The image of a little girl, or anyone reading these posts, is NOT the little girl, or you who read these posts. If harm will result, it will not be because of the image, but because someone wishes to harm you. They can make a dart board out of your image, and it wont hurt you. They can post it on the net, and no one will notice.

If such an image is used as part of a campaign of slander, you have legal redress.

"Meet Susy, she wants to have fun, here's her phone number, and have a vacation."

The above of course, is actually a violation of criminal law, not just civil.

But if someone has a criminal motive, being photographed is the last of your worries.

Certainly if someone is a pedophile, they they can go out and buy the Sears catalogue or the catalogue of JC Penny, they don't need a head shot of someone properly dressed to get off on.

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... As I've said in previous replys to you, under certain circumstances this could be suspicious. ...
So your answer is that, yes, a stranger taking a photo of a young girl could be suspicious.

Since we agree that it could be suspicious, should the police be permitted to swing by to see what's going on?
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So your answer is that, yes, a stranger taking a photo of a young girl could be suspicious.

Since we agree that it could be suspicious, should the police be permitted to swing by to see what's going on?
Sure. Hiding out by a window in the ladies changing room is suspicious. Looking at apartment windows with a long lens (or a telescope) is suspicious. Lots of things can be suspicious, with or without a camera.

But taking a picture of someone with their heads out a car window is not suspious.

NB. I made that concession to John ONLY because there are two sides to a story, and we have only the one.

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That where it started to not be civil "Fight for Rights" vs 'Why do people cause Problems" I say live and let live and don't bother to control what others do with the pictures they take its not like they have come up with some kind of program that would undress the poor children.. That when we will really need to do something with the ones..unless they have taken some action on the child and they have been following the child around etc...with what ever device into days world. Lets all live in Peace and Harmony Please let start some kind of program send out the fliers to send the message out that we as Photographers love to capture things in the lens that we want to share with he world the same with writing poems that I would love to share with the world my feelings as well freedom of the press includes the photos we take that is what is going on wrong they are trying to close of the Constitution of the United States...and any that see it wrong with taking someones photo on the outside of their own hearth should be found with and anger problem...and fined so the collected fees can go to support the fact findings of why they are angry and Photographers loss of income.
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... I made that concession to John ONLY because there are two sides to a story, and we have only the one.
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Wearing a ski mask in front of a bank, is certainly not an arrestable crime in most States, but it is certainly suspicious, and the police can swing bye to see what is going on.
So, if the police can swing by to see what's going on when someone is wearing a ski mask in front of a bank, can they swing by to see what's going on when someone is taking a photo of a young girl, given that both activities could be suspicious?
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You know I woke up with a pinched nerve again and I was thinking call911 why cause I know my room mate will not take me to no hospital and I sure can drive in my condition but I stopped my self short cause even though I am not doing anything wrong the Police would show up and I feel they should not be in the position to have to show up cause I would be safer calling 911 to have an ambulance come take me in though its not a matter of life and or death just a matter of safe and better... All cause the POLICE get their darn PIGGY noses into others business that they can really mess up others lives all cause they showed up! So I will suffer till I can manage to drive my self in.. I know I will be ok till then I am up and typing so I am ok till I go in.. Just a pinched Nerve that I have been dealing with for the past week and I happened to re pull it by being neighborly helping a man with his boat yesterday in rough waters as he was trying to dock up.. perrty much the same as the issue at hand The Cops and other peole not being neighborly.
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So, if the police can swing by to see what's going on when someone is wearing a ski mask in front of a bank, can they swing by to see what's going on when someone is taking a photo of a young girl, given that both activities could be suspicious?
Your analogy is this:

Bank robbers need full face masks.
Pedophiles need cameras.

Thank you, no, your analogy has no basis in fact. Let me run this bye you again - your analogy has no basis in fact.

Now, as an experiment, after John made his objections, I made some experiments, and found that in order to actually shoot INTO the back seat of a car (as opposed to the shot under discussion) I would have to almost lean into the car itself. In other words, I would have to do the equivalent of sticking a camera into your face, in order to get the shot. I would regard such an activity as "suspicious." Not criminal, but certainly odd. Odd enough so that the police would be justified in running the guys plates through a computer.

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“I have worked for the ACLU. I have worked for the Law Collective as an investigator.”

No wonder you were under surveillance back in the 60's!

Who did you work for back then - The Weathermen, YIP, SDS, Black Panthers?

I have my rights...I have my rights...wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

“Pedophilia is a disease. It's been in this world for time immermorial. And the kiddie porn industry has been in existance for many millennium. The relative handful of those who actually harm children, should of course be removed from society.”

“Those who kidnap, rape and murder children are more than just pedophiles - They are raving psychophatic sociopaths - And they too have been around since humans walked the earth.”

“What does this have to do with photography and photographs?”

So you’re saying that taking pictures of naked children and posting them on the internet is an acceptable practice? You have a right to do that?

“I've once again started to take pictures of kids, and I see no reason to recieve phone calls from the police over them.”

When can we expect to see some pictures of naked children posted by you to this forum? I want to see how long it takes for the police to come knocking on your door. Maybe you can convince them you have the right to do that.

“I, as I've made clear over the course of this thread, see nothing wrong OR supicious with taking pictures of children OR adults, OR grandmas OR dogs.”

Just so long as they’re not naked and all in the same picture, and not...

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