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Old Oct 23, 2009, 6:21 PM   #331
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again, it is not the same situation at all.

the op was not called because he was taking pictures of his own kids, at school plays, sports activities etc. where photo taking would not be suspicious.

he was contacted because the situation in which he took the photo was suspicious. if you were sitting in your car minding your own business, or your child for that matter. and someone pulls up beside you and starts taking you or your daughters picture. would that not be suspicious?

very different from photos taken at school plays, sports activities etc.

i am a photographer as is everyone here. none of us want our rights as photographers stripped away. however, this thread reminds us that certain actions can be construed as suspicious, as the situation described by op would be by most. and that we must be aware of that, and try to avoid it.

also, i advocate a little common courtesy when photographic strangers. on the street, at events, etc. at least acknowledge that you were taking their photo in some way. be it by word of mouth, or tipping your hat and pointing at your camera as to say, i just photographed you, or i would like to, is that ok?

that is all.
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Back in 2005, a WalMart worker in Pennsylvania reported 59-year-old Donna Dull to local authorities after Dull dropped off some film that included shots of her three-year-old granddaughter in and just out of the bath. Dull was arrested—roughly, she says—and charged with producing and distributing child pornography. The charges were dropped 15 months later when a Pennsylvania special prosecutor overruled the local DA. Only Dull, her attorney, and police and prosecutors have apparently seen the photos, which are now under seal. She's now suing.

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Have you ever taken a photograph of your kids naked? You could be arrested just like grandma Marian Rubin or father Jeffrey B. I know this sounds ridiculous but this could easily happen to anyone who owns a camera and wants to catch their kids doing the cute kinds of things that kids often do. In the name of fighting child pornography the FBI has issued blanket requests to photo processing labs and computer repair shops in some cities to be on the lookout for pictures of kids in compromising positions, urging them to call the authorities whether they’re sure or not about a picture’s legality.
Three-year-old Sarah M. is either a toddler in her birthday suit playing in the garden, or a nude temptress with a sultry look who requires protection from the culprits who took this photograph — her doting parents. Tragically for a number of people all over the country, innocent family photos turned over to the police have led to financial ruin, divorce, debt, public humiliation, and lifelong scorn as a registered sex offender for mothers and fathers. Here’s how a zealous prosecutor could view Sarah M.’s picture: Smoldering eyes; styled, tousled blond tresses; pouty, parted lips; splayed legs; an engorged navel. And that viscous liquid dripping from the wand onto her thigh? Money shot.

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An 82-year-old woman in Southampton, UK was told she couldn't take photos of an empty wading pool because she might be a paedophile. Because, you know, anything that children touch regularly becomes part of their souls, and if a paedophile looks at those objects, it's just like sexually assaulting a child.
Elderly woman prohibited from photographing empty swimming pool "to prevent paedophilia" - Boing Boing
Naah, no hysteria, just people protecting the children from Granny pedophiles.

I got a 136,000 hits on Google for "Grandma" +"Photography" +"Pedophiles"

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i fail to see the relevance.
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"Excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear."

Err, that means "irrational" The above is from a medical dictionary.
Once again, People get hysterical about rational fears too.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

But I'm sure I don't have to tell you that.

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You mean he looked at the kid, and the guy would call the cops?
If he looked suspicious, yes.

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As I said to John, running the plates through a computer would have been overkill, but at least reasonable. Why the call? Why scare people with a defacto declaration that YOU are being investigated as the lowest kind of pervert?
Once again, you fall back on the "pedophilia" thing again. There are any number of reasons that the parent might have been suspicious, and the police might have investigated without a preconceived notion about what type of offense might have been in progress.

It seems that you aren't familiar with what an investigation actually is. If you enter into an investigation looking for something specific, you will either find it or you won't. If you enter into an investigation just to look, you'll see what's there. Investigators don't go looking for a crime. They just go looking.

And it's unfortunate that the OP jumped to the irrational conclusion that he was suspected of being a pedophile, but that's his irrationality at work, no the parent's.

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How would YOU feel if you were shooting a beach that happened to have some children on it, and good old Dad thinks your a pervert, takes down your plate number and YOU get a call from the Cops?
If I told you that I'd be pleased to have the opportunity to explain myself and set the father's mind at ease, you wouldn't beleive me because you don't beleive that I ask permission to use the photos I happen to take of strangers. Right?
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Once again, you fall back on the "pedophilia" thing again. There are any number of reasons that the parent might have been suspicious, and the police might have investigated without a preconceived notion about what type of offense might have been in progress.

It seems that you aren't familiar with what an investigation actually is. If you enter into an investigation looking for something specific, you will either find it or you won't. If you enter into an investigation just to look, you'll see what's there. Investigators don't go looking for a crime. They just go looking.

And it's unfortunate that the OP jumped to the irrational conclusion that he was suspected of being a pedophile, but that's his irrationality at work, no the parent's.



If I told you that I'd be pleased to have the opportunity to explain myself and set the father's mind at ease, you wouldn't beleive me because you don't beleive that I ask permission to use the photos I happen to take of strangers. Right?
First, we are going by what the OP stated - And he stated he was questioned about pedophilia. If you want to make up your own scenarios, feel free.

Second, I suggested that you took some shots of a beach, which also happened to have children (yes, I'm making up a scenario). The parent, afraid of you, since you're obviously a dangerous pervert, simply writes down the plate number and calls the Police. You in turn get a call from the police.

Can you honestly tell me that this wouldn't affect your life?

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i fail to see the relevance.
You're a photographer? Yes? Then this can happen to you. If you fail to see the relevance of Grannies being assumed to be pedophiles, by supposedly rational people, better make sure you never, even accidently, get a kid into your shots.

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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Damn right.
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First, we are going by what the OP stated - And he stated he was questioned about pedophilia.
Dave - do you just make up your own reality as you go along? Take a deep breath and re-read. According to the OP, there is no mention of the cop questioning him about pedophilia. The OP ASSUMED that - but the cop just questioned him about taking photos of someone else's child. You've got a very active imagination Dave - you just keep inventing new truths along the way.

If you stick to the facts instead of an overactive imagination you might not be so worked up about this.
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There is another possibility I would consider. I would be more worried about photoing someones kid in a car and dealing with the actions of an enraged father. Road rage IS quite a problem.

Secondly, with the amount of 'gangs' and organized crime in the Vancouver area...I would think twice about photoing someones kid...now THOSE guys are paranoid!!
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First, we are going by what the OP stated - And he stated he was questioned about pedophilia.
WRONG!

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...The caller introduced himself as Constable ***** of the RCMP. He said that he had received a call from the Father of the little girl who was very concerned about someone taking pictures of his Daughter. ...
The more you misrepresent the info in this thread, the less inclined I am to beleive you about info you introduce from other sources.

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Second, I suggested that you took some shots of a beach, which also happened to have children (yes, I'm making up a scenario). The parent, afraid of you, since you're obviously a dangerous pervert, simply writes down the plate number and calls the Police. You in turn get a call from the police.

Can you honestly tell me that this wouldn't affect your life?
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If I told you that I'd be pleased to have the opportunity to explain myself and set the father's mind at ease, you wouldn't beleive me because you don't beleive that I ask permission to use the photos I happen to take of strangers. Right?
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