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Old Oct 27, 2009, 7:08 PM   #391
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Guess the East coast is different than the West coast.
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Old Oct 27, 2009, 11:21 PM   #392
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I do and dont it depends on the issue and where I am but then again some will say ok instead and the best thing to do is to get a name and address or now days to be safe a email where you can send them a copy if it comes out good enough ... with your signature some where on it... and date and time and place as a token for being a good subject but if you are going to lose the look tell them that you wanted to capture the look and you will be happy to send a copy to them if the picture comes out good and if you cant even say anything then do get a right angle lens it will cover it all...
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Discussing much of what has been said here, but interesting nevertheless...

http://fora.tv/2008/11/01/Battle_of_Ideas_Candid_Camera
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Old Oct 29, 2009, 9:45 PM   #394
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Religious matter we should not be talking about here by the code of ethics of Photography what does it matter any ways....Devoted to just taking photos and sharing them with or with out any response will get some of those out there very up set but then again maybe they need more bot people like JIMC so they can stop the very nonsense of the whole world seeing how every one feels....Law is a Relgion and there for Jim C thank you for showing that you think my reply on a matter is such as that and even if its just comeing in every day and night to see and read what I can in my time is a matter of religious status for I to am at home with no work other than what I devise of my own till I can get more supplies to do my own Business cards and till my camera comes I do with what I have. Law or no law I am a living human being with my own feelings an every issue at hand as well till the end which some seem to think they can push me over in a fast hurried way but have yet to have done so, so they use plan two which has other limits as well for there when I take those photos they will then try to pull for their own use of gain as I place them here with in every ones sight and grasp but it ills them then to see that I can live up to much better than they can ever hope for but at least they get what they want with out having to go far but to thier own computer dont you see what this world of threads as well has became.... between life and death its a relgion as well so either live and let live or get off the pot before you explode the rest of the threads....
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Discussing much of what has been said here, but interesting nevertheless...

http://fora.tv/2008/11/01/Battle_of_Ideas_Candid_Camera
Much thanks for the link. I didn't have time to watch the full program until today. I actually found the question and answer part of the discussion more interesting than the formal panal. Funny the way the young man who was stopped by the police for His photography, was thought suspicious because the police were watching Him on a camera.

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Religious matter we should not be talking about here by the code of ethics of Photography what does it matter any ways....Devoted to just taking photos and sharing them with or with out any response will get some of those out there very up set but then again maybe they need more bot people like JIMC so they can stop the very nonsense of the whole world seeing how every one feels....Law is a Relgion and there for Jim C thank you for showing that you think my reply on a matter is such as that and even if its just comeing in every day and night to see and read what I can in my time is a matter of religious status for I to am at home with no work other than what I devise of my own till I can get more supplies to do my own Business cards and till my camera comes I do with what I have. Law or no law I am a living human being with my own feelings an every issue at hand as well till the end which some seem to think they can push me over in a fast hurried way but have yet to have done so, so they use plan two which has other limits as well for there when I take those photos they will then try to pull for their own use of gain as I place them here with in every ones sight and grasp but it ills them then to see that I can live up to much better than they can ever hope for but at least they get what they want with out having to go far but to thier own computer dont you see what this world of threads as well has became.... between life and death its a relgion as well so either live and let live or get off the pot before you explode the rest of the threads....
Im going to inform Guiness about this. Im sure they will be sending you a certificate and you will be in their next edition, for writing the longest sentence ever.
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One of the things that was lacking in the discussion was an open dialogue on just what we are doing to ourselves in terms of kiddie porn.

There was certainly discussion on what happens to any photographer when they shoot children - But on a larger level, they kept out of a serious dialogue.

Now one of my favorite photographers is a woman named Nan Goldin. She generally specialises in the extreme. But she also branches off into straight photography, but with a twist. One photograph in particular caused the closing of an exhibition, and the threat of criminal charges against her. After the smoke died down, the whole matter was quashed by the Courts. But the exhibition never reopened.

The shot in question showed two seven or eight year old girls bouncing around their bedroom. Bouncing around as kids normally do. A slice of life shot. One of the girls was naked from the waist down, and her genetalia were visible. It was this image which caused all the excitement. Now there was Nothing about this image aimed to create a sexual atmosphere. It was uninhibited play, the kind of play that probably all of us engaged in as kids.

Now the question here, is would pedophiles get off on this shot?

You betcha. It's available on the net, and I would bet good money they hit the download button as fast as possible.

But I thought this was a great photograph. And in effect, people all over the world were deprived of seeing this image because there are a handful of people who have a disease. In other words, I'm not allowed to look at this image, because there are sick people in the world - And apparently, if I am allowed to look at this image, I will become a pedophile. Almost as if pedophilia is somehow catchy.

This is one of my main points on this thread. The entire pedophile menace is based on the idea that the normal public should not be allowed to see such images, or take such images, even if the images are of our own children. Is nudity in and of itself evil? Is the sight of a naked person or a child inhernetly corrupting? If such is the case, then all of this hysteria and frenzy is completely justified. If it's NOT the case, then what the hell are we doing to ourselves?

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Dave;
This is the Nanny State at work. It also reflects a real fear of lawsuits. (doesn't matter whether they are 'frivolous' or not- judges and juries are sometimes frivolous too) It doesn't take much for most people to make a blanket judgement that "____ are bad because I know of one bad experience." . In the area where I live, there is always a struggle to keep snowmobile trails open, because many landowners have had a bad experience or two.
Photographers are under scrutiny as well, due to a number of factors, some of which we have mentioned here.
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Dave;
This is the Nanny State at work. It also reflects a real fear of lawsuits. (doesn't matter whether they are 'frivolous' or not- judges and juries are sometimes frivolous too) It doesn't take much for most people to make a blanket judgement that "____ are bad because I know of one bad experience." . In the area where I live, there is always a struggle to keep snowmobile trails open, because many landowners have had a bad experience or two.
Photographers are under scrutiny as well, due to a number of factors, some of which we have mentioned here.
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The Nanny State seems to have supporters on this very board, and most of them would claim that they oppose the Nanny State. Mark Twain said it best:

"There is nothing more satisfying than attacking someone elses morality"

Dangerous people who abuse children should be put away. No ands, ifs or buts. But we have with our present mass hysteria, declared that all of us, if exposed to nude children, indeed, clothed children, will turn into ravening pedophiles and child abusers.

And we have this thread about a head shot of a fully clothed girl, and cheer on the parent who actually calls the Cops, and wants the "pedophile" investigated.

While Photography only represents a small aspect of opposition to this rapidly spreading attack on basic human rights and freedoms, it is probably the best way to highlight the nature of the increasing suppression of our rights. And this is because, despite the debate we are having, attacking photograpers simply doesn't make sense. The State never openly states that it is at war with human liberty - Never! Indeed, the opposite is true. Whatever the State does, is in defense of liberty, even while they are taking more and more of your rights.

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Thanks I had to get it off my head and out and I admit I did not stop at all to edit my self I guess I was coming down with a headache which I seemed to have had since I did post this.. I think it will be my first though "Longest Sentence" but not my first in Letters. I am known to have written many long letters by Court Edited folks.
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