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Old Mar 2, 2010, 5:51 AM   #61
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'Printing' has nothing to do with photography. When I print this web page, the result is not a photograph. What makes something a photograph is acquiring the image by projecting it onto a photosensitive surface.

Where's you photosensitive surface?
This cant be right. Ink jet printers dont project the image onto anything photo sensitive. The computer opens and closes jet ports to spray on a paper surface. How about laser copies, but then there is a magnetized surface of a drum. At what point does a photograph get to be called a photograph?. It gets called a photograph in how it was created or obtained as in the case of a camera.....from a natural light source and not by the use of a computer and numbers. How about using Bryce and creating a photo realistic scene. Looks like a photograph but is complete made up. Is a print out called a photograph. A photograph of what? Say you make a nice lunar scene with water, islands, horizon. All very realistic looking. When you print it out do you say its a photograph of the scene created? Without expaining it is completely generated in the computer someone might infer you mean its an actual photograph of the scene depicted. I dont think a photograph has to be explained or clarified in what it is depicting. Im getting tired thinking on this. Im going back to bed.
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It's a 'photograph' the instant the image is recorded on a photosensitive surface (i.e.: film, CCD or CMOS image sensor, etc.) Anything else isn't a photograph.
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It's a 'photograph' the instant the image is recorded on a photosensitive surface (i.e.: film, CCD or CMOS image sensor, etc.) Anything else isn't a photograph.
I can agree with that. Now how much manipulation of that image before its not a photograph, or is it always going to be a photo albeit one now called an altered photograph. How about the term doctored image?
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How about this: It's a photograph if it is recorded with a photosensitive surface, and it will remain a photograph until most of the photograph is removed or obscured by elements that are not photographs. Adjusting color, brightness, contrast, sharpness, and perspective are ok.
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1st, define 'photo'. 2nd, anything that violates that rule is not a photo. Some people believe photos are taken with SLRs, while snapshots are taken with $120 P&Ss. Thus, a photo is taken by a so-called 'pro' who carries around a tripod, an $1200 body with 3 lenses costing $300-$999.99. Ifcourse, the end result will be virtually the same. A headshot is a photo as the model is posing, while your kid playing with your dog is a snapshot. HDR is not a photo no more than art works by Picasso, Monet, Dali, Valejo, Warhol, Rembrandt, etc. are paintings.
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... HDR is not a photo no more than art works by Picasso, Monet, Dali, Valejo, Warhol, Rembrandt, etc. are paintings.
HDR images are composed of multiple parts of selected photographs, and therefore, are photographs themselves.

The real trouble with the definition I proposed is that collages constructed entirely of photographs would then be photographs, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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I can agree with that. Now how much manipulation of that image before its not a photograph, or is it always going to be a photo albeit one now called an altered photograph. How about the term doctored image?
All of this quibbling, simply highlights the delemma. Is a virtual photograph of a real scene, far more of a depiction of reality, than some super hyped fantasy based on a real photograph?

Keep in mind that modeling and rendering is for all practical purposes in it's infancy. Even today, (as you demonstrated) it's often difficult to decide on the source of an image. Once people reach a situation where no one can tell the difference between virtual reality and reality, what are people going to do? Run around in a gallery with $100,000 bucks of high tech equipment trying to figure out what's what?

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At the end of the day after all the discussing it all comes down to what the viewer likes. Show them your work and let them decide whether they like it or not. Usually, How did you do that? is asked. But the average person doesnt care to think about whether its a photo or not. Just whether they like it or not.
One last thing that we must all agree with. There has to be a distinction made between an image captured with a camera and an image created with a computer.
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There's no dilema. There are no virtual photographs. A photograph is an image recorded by a photosensitive surface. Any other type of image isn't a photograph. It may look like a photograph, but it's not.

A painting isn't a photograph. It may look like one, but it was created with paint, not recorded by a photosensitive surface.
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There's no dilema. There are no virtual photographs. A photograph is an image recorded by a photosensitive surface. Any other type of image isn't a photograph. It may look like a photograph, but it's not.

A painting isn't a photograph. It may look like one, but it was created with paint, not recorded by a photosensitive surface.
By the way, what's the definition of "photosensitive?"

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